Question for Towerwatchman

In several posts, you repeated (in part):
my God who is powerful enough to speak everything into existence is powerful enough to cause Mary's egg to instantly become a zygote [fertilized egg].
How do you reconcile your belief that God "caused Mary's egg to instantly become a zygote" with John 1:14 which says "the Word became flesh"?
 
How do you reconcile your belief that God "caused Mary's egg to instantly become a zygote" with John 1:14 which says "the Word became flesh"?

I believe the Word is GOD. What do the rest of you believe?

Here is how I see the distinctions between the Father, the Son, the Spirit, and GOD...

GOD is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. GOD is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal GOD is called God the Father.

GOD

English Bibles and I use the word GOD (with all caps) to signify the underlying Hebrew word is YHWH (a proper name) rather than Elohim (a title).
Exodus 23:17 ESV… Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the Lord GOD.

is spirit
John 4:24 ESV… God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

and is the only one who is eternal...
Deuteronomy 33:27 ESV… The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, ‘Destroy.’
Isaiah 37:16 ESV… “O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.

GOD is also in the universe as spirit
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

and as a human...
1 Timothy 3:16 ESV… Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God
Luke 1:35 ESV… And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

and eternal GOD is called God the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV… yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
 
I believe the Word is GOD. What do the rest of you believe?

Here is how I see the distinctions between the Father, the Son, the Spirit, and GOD...

GOD is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. GOD is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal GOD is called God the Father.

GOD

English Bibles and I use the word GOD (with all caps) to signify the underlying Hebrew word is YHWH (a proper name) rather than Elohim (a title).
Exodus 23:17 ESV… Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the Lord GOD.

is spirit
John 4:24 ESV… God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

and is the only one who is eternal...
Deuteronomy 33:27 ESV… The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, ‘Destroy.’
Isaiah 37:16 ESV… “O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.

GOD is also in the universe as spirit
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

and as a human...
1 Timothy 3:16 ESV… Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God
Luke 1:35 ESV… And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

and eternal GOD is called God the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV… yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
This doesn't address the OP.
 

jamesh

Active member
In several posts, you repeated (in part):

How do you reconcile your belief that God "caused Mary's egg to instantly become a zygote" with John 1:14 which says "the Word became flesh"?
Well that's easy to reconcile because your question is butt backwards. It "assumes" the Son was created and that is not the case. At John 1:1 the Son was with God and is God before His "zygote" was installed into Mary His mother. In theology this is known as the incarnation and in your Jw theology it is known as "a god" was created who btw ends up that the son created all the OTHER angels even though he is an angel himself.

Moreover, Luke 2:11 states, "for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." No mention of Him creating other angels, why? In fact, vs13-14 says, "And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying vs14, Glory to God in the highest And on earth peach among men with whom He is pleased." See how easy this is Ongyo!

In Him,
herman
 
Well that's easy to reconcile because your question is butt backwards. It "assumes" the Son was created and that is not the case. At John 1:1 the Son was with God and is God before His "zygote" was installed into Mary His mother. In theology this is known as the incarnation and in your Jw theology it is known as "a god" was created who btw ends up that the son created all the OTHER angels even though he is an angel himself.

Moreover, Luke 2:11 states, "for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." No mention of Him creating other angels, why? In fact, vs13-14 says, "And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying vs14, Glory to God in the highest And on earth peach among men with whom He is pleased." See how easy this is Ongyo!

In Him,
herman
Let me ask you something, does the definition of the word Logos itself encompass God in regards to his full being and Divine Nature?

Does it encompass every aspect of his Divine Nature and everything about who God is in his full being?

By the way, I am not a JW and as a matter of fact, the only groups and teachings I have ever received from other men are from those who hold to the doctrines of the Trinity and Jesus as being God but at present I don't belong to any groups at all and neither do adhere to any or listen to any at all either.
 
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Well that's easy to reconcile because your question is butt backwards. It "assumes" the Son was created and that is not the case. At John 1:1 the Son was with God and is God before His "zygote" was installed into Mary His mother.
What you are describing and what towerwatchman had described are two different things herman, for:

a) you are describing that the LOGOS was installed as a zygote into Mary; however,
b) towerwatchman describes the egg (which is already inside of Mary) being instantaneously changed into zygote.
In theology this is known as the incarnation
What you and towerwatchman describe is not what 'in theology is known as the incarnation'.

In theology, the incarnation is that "the Logos was made flesh by being conceived in the womb of a woman"--not that the woman's egg became a zygote or that the LOGOS was installed into Mary as a zygote (as neither of these demonstrates conception).
and in your Jw theology it is known as "a god" was created who btw ends up that the son created all the OTHER angels even though he is an angel himself.
I don't think you understand JW theology (because nothing you've stated demonstrates how JWs interpret John 1:14).

Moreover, Luke 2:11 states, "for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD." No mention of Him creating other angels, why?
Why would there be?
In fact, vs13-14 says, "And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying vs14, Glory to God in the highest And on earth peach among men with whom He is pleased."
What was the purpose to mentioning this text?
See how easy this is Ongyo!

In Him,
herman
Yes.

You've demonstrated how easy it is to go off-topic, and you've demonstrated how easy it is to demonstrate what you described as being totally different from what towerwatchman describes.

(Good job!)
 
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