Simpletruther
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Do sda cook on the sabbath?
Buy anything at the store?
Buy anything at the store?
Question on the sabbath
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They boil and bake on the sabbath - in violation of Exodus 16.
SDAchristian
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Depends on how that person views the sabbath relationship with GOD.
I have known some to fast on sabbath, to avoid conflict of conscience issues.
AV Ex 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
"Buy anything at the store?", ibid.
Did Jesus work while in the grave prior to resurrection ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
Did Jesus work whilst He was in Marys womb?
SDAchristian
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Prologue:
AV Lk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
AV Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Lk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
AV Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Was Jesus alive in the flesh "in Marys womb?"
Yours in Christ, Michael
Life begins at conception, but did Jesus stop being God when he was in the womb?
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AV Ps 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God.
That is a humanist statement and question, and not of faith in GOD. Why don't you ask a humanist then !!!
So you want to accuse Jesus of blasphemy, like the Jews did ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
So if Jesus was still God in the womb, then He was still God in the tomb. Only God is immortal. So yes Jesus was working in the tomb, so in Jesus own words in John 5:17
But He answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working“.He didn’t stop working in the womb, He never stops working so Jesus was working whilst in the tomb.
1 Peter 3:18-20 also gives a clue on what He was doing.
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all time, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which He also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, who once were disobedient when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water.
Colossians 1:17 tells us that He (Jesus) sustains all things, there was never a break from Him sustaining all things.
Hebrews 1:3
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
God is spirit, the spirit never dies, again in Jesus own words, John 4:24
”God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth”.
Psalm 121:2-4 tells us God does not sleep.
My help comes from the Lord,
Who made heaven and earth.
He will not allow your foot to slip;
He who watches over you will not slumber.
Behold, He who watches over Israel
Will neither slumber nor sleep.
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The humanist point of view is that life does not begin until the first breath is taken.
It is no wonder that Seventh-day Adventist policy supports the taking of the lives of helpless human beings in the womb.
Indeed that’s true, had Mary gotten pregnant as an Adventist the truth being to ensure that this doesn’t corrupt the church the SDA church would have approved the killing of Jesus in the womb.
As Jesus is God He was alive in the womb, indeed when Mary visited Elizabeth and John jumped in her womb, Mary would have only been 5 days pregnant thus clearly life begins at conception.
Let’s look at the SDA guidelines around their hospitals for the sabbath.
observance.
The following applications of Sabbath observance principles are recommended:
- Provide emergency medical care willingly and cheerfully whenever needed with high levels of excellence. However, neither Adventist institutions nor physicians and dentists should provide the same office or clinic services on the Sabbath as they do on weekdays.
- Discontinue all routine activities that could be postponed. Usually this means a complete closing of those facilities and departments not immediately related to patient care, and the maintenance of a minimum number of qualified people in other departments to handle emergencies.
- Postpone elective diagnostic and therapeutic services. Decisions as to what is necessary or of an emergency nature should be made by the attending physician. If this privilege is abused, it should be dealt with by the hospital administration. Nonadministrative institutional employees should not become involved in making these decisions nor should they be obliged to confront the attending physicians. Misunderstandings may be avoided by making it clear in medical staff bylaws that only surgical, diagnostic, or therapeutic procedures which are not postponable because of the condition of the patient, will be done. A clear understanding with all who are appointed to staff membership, at the time of appointment, will do much to avoid misunderstandings and abuses.
Sabbath Observance - Adventist.org
Learn how to make Sabbath-keeping a more meaningful experience for you and your family with these guidelines.
www.adventist.org
In John 5:1-18 is the story of Jesus healing on the sabbath, please note this man had been ill for 38 years so this was not a life or death situation. Taking into account the guidelines above would Jesus been disciplined by the SDA church for doing non essential work on the sabbath?
Mark 3:1-6 again Jesus healed a man’s hand on the sabbath that was shrivelled, was this life or death? Would Jesus have broken the rules above?
Luke 13:10-17 Jesus heals a woman who had an evil spirit for 18 years, surely He could have waited till after sabbath as again that was not life or death?
Would Jesus be accused of abusing the bylaws from the SDA church?
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SDAchristian
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Prologue:
AV Ezk 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
I am so confident that GOD knows how to judge sin properly.
You of all people knows, not every Adventist is going to heaven.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Ezk 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
I am so confident that GOD knows how to judge sin properly.
It's a Hospital Policy and it is about the Federal support money for mandated services to include abortion.
You of all people knows, not every Adventist is going to heaven.
Yours in Christ, Michael
If Christ were here today; These SDA's would follow in the footsteps of their Masters
and stone him at the 1st chance they had;
eventually they will also
"stand in the Courts (Courtyard) of the Ceasars of this world and scream
Crucify Him, Crucify Him, Crucify his followers also"
its dem-dar Sabbath Keepers that want to stone anyone not keeping Sabbath as they command
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Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for
my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
Name Sake, Michael; His Name Sake
not Sabbath -<vs>- Sunday
SDAchristian
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AV Lk 6:9 Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy [it]?
Are you willing to judge Jesus, and answer Jesus' question ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
The SDA claim to be
--------------The Remnant------------
------------The Church of the Laodiceans----------------
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of my mouth.
----------The Judgements to befall the SDA's--------------
Rev.19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for
my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
Name Sake, Michael; His Name Sake
not Sabbath -<vs>- Sunday
--------------The Remnant------------
Matt.22:1
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables,
and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding:
and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying,
Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner:
my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready:
come unto the marriage.
And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables,
and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding:
and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying,
Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner:
my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready:
come unto the marriage.
------------The Church of the Laodiceans----------------
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of my mouth.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways,
one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.
one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.
----------The Judgements to befall the SDA's--------------
Rev.19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse,
which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
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6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for
my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
Name Sake, Michael; His Name Sake
not Sabbath -<vs>- Sunday
SDAchristian
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AV Mt 25:31-33 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Your context of the definite article is in question here !!!
Will there be 'remnant's in both sheep and goats in their respective judgments ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
1st off Michael;
Sheep are not Goats nor Goats sheep
Christ nor the Apostles were sent to the
"Goats" only to the Lost Sheep of the house of Israel
so were did all these Goats in the Flock come from ??????????
Matt.13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house:
and his disciples came unto him, saying,
Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Michael;
you have to be "In The House" where Christ is to hear him explain things to you
37 He answered and said unto them,
He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;
the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire:
there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
----------The true Remnant according to Paul---------
Romans 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people?
God forbid. For I also am an Israelite,
of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias?
how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars;
and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him?
I have reserved to myself seven thousand men,
who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also
there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
then there are those that claim to be the Jews (the remnant) Paul speaks of
Rev.2:9
and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews,
and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
You belong to the Wrong Remnant, Michael
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6 And the remnant took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you:
and ye shall be hated of all nations for
my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another,
and shall hate one another.
Name Sake, Michael; His Name Sake
not Sabbath -<vs>- Sunday
Christian SDA
Member
I know that the teaching of the Seventh-day Adventist church is that life ends with the cessation of breath and therefore life begins with the first breath the baby takes.
That is the humanist point of view and denies the human identity of Jesus Christ in Mary’s womb.
Lk.1:39
And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
41 And it came to pass, that,
when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary,
the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
42 And she spake out with a loud voice,
and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears,
the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
SDAchristian
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AV Jer 1:4-5 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Prove it please, by quoting official SDA documents. Otherwise, it is YOUR stated opinion.
Yours in Christ, Michael