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Bonnie

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The over 600, 000 that I mentioned were only those who died in America from the Covid 19.
That is almost as many that died in this country in the great Flu pandemic of 1918. That was a terrible crisis. I have read two books on it. Worldwide, the death rate from covid is much lower than it was from flu in 1918--over 50 million may have died from that disease, or even more. But there were far fewer people on earth back then than now.

it is easy to dismiss covid-19 by saying it has "only" a death rate of 1-2%--unless loved ones and friends are in that 1-2 percentile.
 

Yahweh will increase

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Like fund abortions through planned parenthood?
Has the government ever told you as a believer that you have to abort your babies dude?

This is where the church is stepping way out from what God instructed them to do, for civil disobedience is only justified for them when it concerns their own personal walk with God and not what the wicked do with their lives.

Read the book of Acts, for there were many wrongs being done to the wicked by Rome but you never see the church involving themselves in civic disobedience against Rome for the wicked.

You know, Thistle is a good user name for you being thorns and thistles are what springs up in the hearts of many to keep them from the kingdom of God, just read what Jesus said about them in the parable of the sower who went out to sow.


As it turns out the governor in our state determined that I am an essential worker and when necessary I wore a mask I have a private office so I can simply close my door and take my mask off, but according to the rules of the state in which I live, I was able to go to work every day in 2020.

And of course you are looking for a way out of it anyhow, claiming to be pro life only in the saving of the babies of the wicked who will never suffer the second death if they die in the womb anyhow and unlike those already born who will if they die of Covid 19 before they are able to hear the gospel message to be saved first and which is where your responsibility lies and not in saving the unborn babies of the wicked.




There are enough older people in our congregation that the rules limiting the number of people who can meet we're never in danger of being exceeded. Most elderly people were quite cautious throughout the worst of 2020.

They were wise in doing so also, however I do realize that the churches don't want to lose that ten percent money and which is not even a teaching of the NT anyhow, and I will be you would like to argue that one out also but you will lose the argument if we use only what is written in the scriptures about it.


For instance Bruce Wilkinson was on Life Today with James Robison and was teaching that the tithe is taught in the NT, and he used where Jesus was teaching about the Jews paying their tithes under the law of Moses but omitting the weightier matters of the law like justice and mercy, and then saying that they should have continued to pay their tithe without omitting justice and mercy.


The problem with this and where he was in error, is that the NT didn't start until Jesus died and was raised from the dead, but while he lived he was under the law himself and therefore obligated to obey it and teach it and which is what he did also and that includes keeping the law on the Sabbath day as well and contrary to what trins often teach on this.


For Jesus was never doing secular work on the Sabbath but only the work of the ministry according to God's instruction and just like the priests in the Temple were doing likewise.


It looks like you've got both sides of this argument going pretty well, it makes my job easy.

And which is to ignore the facts but the very divisions that your churches are still in after all this time from when they first started to fall into the apostasy reveals their carnality, just read Paul's words about this in 1 Corinthians chapters 1-3 and what is causing this is that they have replaced the discernment of the Spirit in determining the truth of the word of God with their carnal human intellect.


Slaying my "ungodly" colloquialism. Outstanding!

I don't have a problem with your citation of Acts 1:6 and seven. The inference you draw from it, and the burden of argument that you foist upon it, that's another question.

Of course you don't , for you are going to take it how you want it to mean according to your addiction to the false doctrine that you have probably been taught for many years because it is the easy way out.

I know all about it, for I did it myself and for better than thirty years of my born again life in Christ and all because it isn't easy to change ones theology after he has been falsely indoctrinated for many years, but you are wrong nonetheless.

For the disciples would have known what the "times and seasons" referred to from the book of Daniel and where he revealed from God that it is concerning God's appointment of who will rule or who will be removed from ruling and you don't have a leg to stand on in this because Daniel revealed that it is in God's power alone to choose this and no man can alter what he chooses either.

If you can't see that, it is because your false doctrines have mesmerized your mind and heart and have blinded your eyes and caused you not to even care about it either.



As I read you using scripture as you are here I cannot help but be reminded when the soldiers and tax collectors came to be baptized by John. They were sincerely asking what they needed to do and because they were asking out of a pure heart John gave them a straight answer. And because of the repentant heart they were baptized. When the Pharisees who are so supremely confident of their standing before God came to be baptized John called him brood of snakes. The one thing John did not tell them, he didn't tell the soldiers to stop being soldiers, and he didn't tell the tax collectors to stop being tax collectors, so it follows as night falls day that he would not tell citizens of a republic to stop being citizens of a republic.

The above is irrelevant to my argument however for first off and again, Jesus said we should render unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and unto God what belongs to God.

Now regards to the soldiers, they already gave their oath to Caesar to become his soldiers and therefore they were obligated to obey it for however long it was determined that they should remain his soldiers.



Man has limited sovereignty over creation because God gave it to him.

Now you are using the word limited, so let me ask you what does the Bible reveal to be those limitations?

For you cannot use the fact that before man sinned God gave him dominion over this creation, because man sinned and handed that over unto the Devil to become the god of this world instead, albeit he is thus still only under the power and rule of God and therefore only to the degree that God determines in any given situation.



Genesis 1:28.

Again that was before Adam and Eve sinned but after they sinned, they forfeited that dominion over to the Devil to become the god of this world instead.





You went to considerable lengths above to make a point of how Christians are supposed to keep their obligations to their government, of whatever form. Our obligation in a democratic republic is to vote. You made the case for that yourself.
Your voting doesn't change God's choice and therefore it is a waste of time because God is going to put into power whomever he chooses no matter how you vote and the fact remains that humans really don't know what they are doing when they vote anyhow.

A good example of this with church goers was revealed when they voted for Trump and after even having it revealed unto them from the Bible how dangerous arrogant autocratic dictator type men like this can become.

I am beginning to believe that God is going to bring down the apostate harlot church as spoken of in Revelation 17-18 by what they themselves choose for a leader and all because this is part of the false doctrines that they believe and in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 Paul even says that God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie and be damned by it.

Note, Paul would never speak of the Temple of God in a future event as being a rebuild of the OT Temple of brick and mortar, for this isn't about that Temple but rather the living Temple of those who claim to believe but have fallen into apostasy from the truth and this is where the man of sin will arise and whether you like or can accept it or not.

 

Yahweh will increase

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Here it is, the god hates America just as much as you do argument. You should've left this argument in the cellophane.

I never said any such thing but rather that he loves it so much that he will raise up leaders through which to scourge it and bring it unto repentance and especially those in it who call themselves his people but who are not believing in him and his word in Spirit and in Truth.


Or do I now need to show you in the scriptures where it tells us that God chastens whomever he loves and which you should already know anyhow if you are going to be on this forum arguing for what his word really teaches us?
You really don't have a clue what the Declaration of Independence says and means. The point of that preamble is not directed at God, is directed at King George the third. We are creatures created by God so of course God can judge us. The Declaration of Independence is not saying anything about that. That statement about un-alienable rights has to do with the government overstepping the sovereignty that God has loaned to them.
ROFLOL, dude, whenever they claim that something was given by God and which they did, then they put God into what they are saying and what they said is totally false and not Biblical.



This includes the overstepping of the authority of the governments also, for it isn't given them by God to have rights in what he chooses, for they are not the ones who are to determine that for God but only God is himself and because he alone knows what is necessary to bring repentance and true faith from men.

For God is the one who allowed Hitler to come into power also and just like he did Nebuchadnezzar and all rulers since the beginning of creation until now and whether good or bad also and in order to bring correction on wicked and also those claiming to be his people in order to bring them to repentance and true faith and in Spirit and Truth.





Your point is moot because your ability to interpret the declaration of independence is even worse than your ability to interpret the Bible.

And your above answer is more of your usual carnal human reasoning and spiritual blindness to the fact that once they say something is given to men by God, they put God into it and which makes them responsible for the false statements they are making also.

God never tells us that men are created equal and he never tells us that men have certain unalienable rights given by him either, that is false totally and you need to stop denying the facts about it also.
Hypocrisy was not invented in 1776. If you want to condemn the Lords church it's pretty easy pickings because God's standard is perfection and you won't find a perfect person in God's church.
Ah but I am not condemning the Lords Church but rather the one who now belongs to the spirit antichrist and his false teachings and by the way, hypocrisy has always existed in the earth starting right at the fall of Adam and Eve, so get your facts straight about it.

I am not looking of perfection from your churches but only Spirit and Truth, and you do not have either, for many, many years ago your church leaders replaced the discernment of the Holy Spirit for a correct understanding of the scriptures with the carnal human intellect and which is where all of your academic training in Bible Colleges began also.

For Bible colleges are highly responsible for most of the corruption of God's word that we see in the world today and also the divisions within your churches as well and which is the very evidence that proves that it is not the right way of learning about God and his word.


All of these cases are very special facts specific and it's impossible to discuss without getting into a discussion of many thousands of words. But I would simply point out that before the constitution was signed in 1789 the northwest charter was issued with essentially all the same signatories. That the Northwest Charter would place the south in the minority there by ending slavery on auto pilot. And if you look a few years later the issues that did bring about the Civil War were directly related to language in the northwest charter.
All of the above is totally irrelevant to the points I am making about it here however.
 

Whateverman

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it is easy to dismiss covid-19 by saying it has "only" a death rate of 1-2%--unless loved ones and friends are in that 1-2 percentile.
At this point, I think blatant / explicit fear-mongering would be justified. With their permission, put people suffering/dying from COVID on camera, every day, until it sinks in. Plaster them all over Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. It's already happening a little bit, but a request from the white house that media outlets voluntarily do this would light a fire under it.

EDIT: of course, this runs counter to my other thread, where I asked how much effort (to bring the anti-vaxers under the umbrella) is too much...
 

Yahweh will increase

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God is not mediating this discussion between you and me. What God has said is not in dispute what do you have inferred from it very much is.

That is not true.

Lucky for you that you interpret all the facts to reinforce your presuppositions.

Daniel 2:20 and said:

“Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;
wisdom and power are his.
21 He changes times and seasons;
he deposes kings and raises up others.



Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the
times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Daniel 4:17 “‘The decision is announced by messengers (the angels), the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people.’




Daniel 4:
34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.
35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.

He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”




Very clearly God's word rebukes you and your churches for here is the bottom line, if God is the one who chooses who will be leaders of all nations and who he will remove and when and therefore he does what he pleases no matter what men do, and this is what we see in the verses above, then why on earth do you think you need to be involved in this?

For what do you think you are going to do to alter who he comes into power and who is removed from it if God is the one who chooses this no matter what men do and what they have to say about it also?




If you really want to make a difference, it will not come through your voting but by your obedience to do what God called you to do and also by your petitions to God and if he sees that the majority of the church is sincere in this, then he will answer their prayers and put a leader over us for our blessing.


But whereas you all went out in great numbers to vote for Trump for your blessing and what you thought was good, God allowed the virus to come in and tear down everything that Trump intended to build and he did this to teach you a lesson that you still refuse to learn also.

For you are not the one in control of this and you are not suppose to be either and again your apostate self serving churches went out Washington DC to supposedly seek God's will in this election but you went out amiss, already supposing that it was Trump who should be your President and God revealed once again, that your voting was in vain, for this time he didn't give you what you wanted did he?






Do you know that's a funny thing, because I'm not particularly impressed with your interpretations of scripture either. You have a pretty impressive way of making God's word bend to your argument. The problem is the ruler should not be the thing that stretches and bends.

If you're stuck to what was revealed in the Bible would have no issues.

What God says about his divine providence respecting the leadership of countries does not affect the responsibilities of men who are working within the providence of God.

That's certainly true it's also entirely beside the point. In a democratic republic it is the responsibility of the citizens to exercise their franchise and vote. So in spite of the fact that we do not know the providential will of God, or what his master plan is, we still have to form a judgment in the conscience that God has given us, and do the best we can to be within the spirit of his will.

I think you're anthropomorphizing to an unwarranted degree what local churches "want to believe." I live in a blue state and we have valued members of our local church where members are both politically to the left and right. Our solution is to not dwell on subjects of the left and right view very differently.


Do I want to hear how you might possibly connect those dots?

Fair enough…

This post does a poor job of casting you as a Elijhaa figure standing against the prophets of Baal.

Indeed…

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." - Genesis 1:28 KJV


God gave man temporal sovereignty subject only to his own.

And what period of Roman history did Jesus say this? Was it the Republican period? It was not, it was in the imperial period. Regardless the only small point that is relevant is that the citizens of a republican form of government has an obligation to participate at least to the extent that their vote is concerned.
I am not going to continue wasting my time going around in circles on these issues with someone like you who only wants to follow the false traditions doctrines of men and not the word of God.

For you have yet to refute a single word of what I am showing you right from the scriptures but instead all you are doing here is altering what was said to fit your own traditional false doctrines about it and without any scripture at all that really backs up what you are saying either.


The fact is, that your churches are belly aching about and also disobeying the leader that God has put in charge over you now and that is sin whether you want to accept it or not.


Furthermore, I don't care what people like you think about what I post on this forum, for if I cared about that, I should be a servant of God or don't you remember Paul's words on that?
 

Thistle

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Daniel 2:20 and said:

“Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;
wisdom and power are his.
21 He changes times and seasons;
he deposes kings and raises up others.



Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the
times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Daniel 4:17 “‘The decision is announced by messengers (the angels), the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people.’




Daniel 4:
34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.
35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.

He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”




Very clearly God's word rebukes you and your churches for here is the bottom line, if God is the one who chooses who will be leaders of all nations and who he will remove and when and therefore he does what he pleases no matter what men do, and this is what we see in the verses above, then why on earth do you think you need to be involved in this?

For what do you think you are going to do to alter who he comes into power and who is removed from it if God is the one who chooses this no matter what men do and what they have to say about it also?



If you really want to make a difference, it will not come through your voting but by your obedience to do what God called you to do and also by your petitions to God and if he sees that the majority of the church is sincere in this, then he will answer their prayers and put a leader over us for our blessing.


But whereas you all went out in great numbers to vote for Trump for your blessing and what you thought was good, God allowed the virus to come in and tear down everything that Trump intended to build and he did this to teach you a lesson that you still refuse to learn also.

For you are not the one in control of this and you are not suppose to be either and again your apostate self serving churches went out Washington DC to supposedly seek God's will in this election but you went out amiss, already supposing that it was Trump who should be your President and God revealed once again, that your voting was in vain, for this time he didn't give you what you wanted did he?







I am not going to continue wasting my time going around in circles on these issues with someone like you who only wants to follow the false traditions doctrines of men and not the word of God.

For you have yet to refute a single word of what I am showing you right from the scriptures but instead all you are doing here is altering what was said to fit your own traditional false doctrines about it and without any scripture at all that really backs up what you are saying either.


The fact is, that your churches are belly aching about and also disobeying the leader that God has put in charge over you now and that is sin whether you want to accept it or not.



Furthermore, I don't care what people like you think about what I post on this forum, for if I cared about that, I should be a servant of God or don't you remember Paul's words on that?
Okay, with that litany of anathemas I think you have probably exhausted your store houses of hatred. God bless…
 

vibise

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At this point, I think blatant / explicit fear-mongering would be justified. With their permission, put people suffering/dying from COVID on camera, every day, until it sinks in. Plaster them all over Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc. It's already happening a little bit, but a request from the white house that media outlets voluntarily do this would light a fire under it.

EDIT: of course, this runs counter to my other thread, where I asked how much effort (to bring the anti-vaxers under the umbrella) is too much...
I have seen multiple reports of dead and dying people who rejected the vaccine and regreted it, and the effect this has had on their families.

We need more stories like this, although many are immune to such sad stories unless it directly impacts them personally.
 

Yahweh will increase

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Okay, with that litany of anathemas I think you have probably exhausted your store houses of hatred. God bless…
If you mean I hate your false doctrine, you are absolutely right and I make no apologies for it either and in fact, I can't wait to see God bring it down by the symbolic Ten Kings as per Revelation 17-18.

Do you love the Devil? What about his ministers, do you love them? It appears to me that you do, because you continue to enjoin yourself unto them and accept the garbage that they have taught you!

I am not talking about unbelievers who are only ignorant of the Bible but those who claim to belong to God and have enough knowledge of the scriptures to see the many contradictions against what they believe but they still continue in their false beliefs and also teach them to others regardless, these are the ministers of Satan.

For I believe that while your churches vote against gay rights and abortion, your legalism in this is responsible for the increase of these sins within unbelievers.

For when you attempt to legislate God's morality to sinners, sin only comes to life within them and gets worse and worse and they just want to do it more than before and also vote against you and there are more on the road to destruction than there are on the road to life and therefore they will have more votes than you.

That is why Jesus revealed what you are involved with, as the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the earth.

For although she claims to stand for Gods grace and mercy and to preach the gospel message, instead it is involved with trying to legislate God's morality and which will have no effect at changing the hearts of unbelievers and that is why it is getting worse every year because you are in error by doing it.



For what you are doing doesn't even at all look like what Jesus or his apostles would have done but rather what the self righteous Pharisees, Scribes and Lawyers who didn't believe in God's grace and mercy would have done instead.

For those who really believe in and live under God's grace and mercy, teach his grace and mercy to the lost also and while instead of preaching the law and attempting to legislate God's morality unto them and which can never change the heart, they show the law of God written within their hearts and lives and which is the only way that the lost will truly be convicted of their sins.

For it ought to be obvious to you by now, that your attempting to legislate God's morality to the lost is not working and even if you passed laws to hold it back, it will not last because it cannot change the hearts of those who want to abort their babies and live gay lives but only their being truly born again will change them and put a stop to those sins.

Hey I am not in existence to molly coddle false doctrines or those who believe and teach them and the fact is that while you keep saying that it is our responsibility to vote, the only basis that you can give for your view of that is what the government permits about it and not what the Bible says about.

However, I gave you scriptures that very plainly states that God will put into power whomever he pleases to and which means that you and your churches are wasting their time with their voting and you can be sure that the Devil is pleased with those who claim to be believers wasting their time.
 
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Thistle

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If you mean I hate your false doctrine, you are absolutely right and I make no apologies for it either and in fact, I can't wait to see God bring it down by the symbolic Ten Kings as per Revelation 17-18.

Do you love the Devil? What about his ministers, do you love them? It appears to me that you do, because you continue to enjoin yourself unto them and accept the garbage that they have taught you!

I am not talking about unbelievers who are only ignorant of the Bible but those who claim to belong to God and have enough knowledge of the scriptures to see the many contradictions against what they believe but they still continue in their false beliefs and also teach them to others regardless, these are the ministers of Satan.

For I believe that while your churches vote against gay rights and abortion, your legalism in this is responsible for the increase of these sins within unbelievers.

For when you attempt to legislate God's morality to sinners, sin only comes to life within them and gets worse and worse and they just want to do it more than before and also vote against you and there are more on the road to destruction than there are on the road to life and therefore they will have more votes than you.

That is why Jesus revealed what you are involved with, as the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the earth.

For although she claims to stand for Gods grace and mercy and to preach the gospel message, instead it is involved with trying to legislate God's morality and which will have no effect at changing the hearts of unbelievers and that is why it is getting worse every year because you are in error by doing it.



For what you are doing doesn't even at all look like what Jesus or his apostles would have done but rather what the self righteous Pharisees, Scribes and Lawyers who didn't believe in God's grace and mercy would have done instead.

For those who really believe in and live under God's grace and mercy, teach his grace and mercy to the lost also and while instead of preaching the law and attempting to legislate God's morality unto them and which can never change the heart, they show the law of God written within their hearts and lives and which is the only way that the lost will truly be convicted of their sins.

For it ought to be obvious to you by now, that your attempting to legislate God's morality to the lost is not working and even if you passed laws to hold it back, it will not last because it cannot change the hearts of those who want to abort their babies and live gay lives but only their being truly born again will change them and put a stop to those sins.

Hey I am not in existence to molly coddle false doctrines or those who believe and teach them and the fact is that while you keep saying that it is our responsibility to vote, the only basis that you can give for your view of that is what the government permits about it and not what the Bible says about.

However, I gave you scriptures that very plainly states that God will put into power whomever he pleases to and which means that you and your churches are wasting their time with their voting and you can be sure that the Devil is pleased with those who claim to be believers wasting their time.
Apparently I underestimated you. Please feel free to exhaust your venom however you please.
 

Yahweh will increase

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Apparently I underestimated you. Please feel free to exhaust your venom however you please.
The fact remains, that if your churches truly had the convicting power of the law written into your hearts and lives by the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be trying to legislate the law to unbelievers like what you are doing by your voting.

That is the reason why your churches have to make their big noise about the sins of the unbeliever instead, because they know that they can't convict them by what the unbelievers see in their own lives.

For there is nothing there to see except self made religious works done in hypocrisy and which is also compounded unto them by the fact that your churches are trying to legislate God's moral law unto them instead.

For if it cannot change the hearts of those who claim to believe and it is obvious that it hasn't, then neither can it bring conviction upon the unbelievers through what they see in those who believe and that is why your churches have to make their big noise instead with their preaching and protesting instead.

So while you have quacks like Rodney Howard Browne, preaching his Great Awakening false doctrines, the Bible never speaks of this but rather The Great Apostasy instead and this is why God will also send Jesus very soon to put an end to that Harlot religion and just as Jesus told us it will happen in Revelation 17-18 also.
 
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Thistle

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The fact remains, that if your churches truly had the convicting power of the law written into your hearts and lives by the Holy Spirit, you wouldn't be trying to legislate the law to unbelievers like you are doing by your voting.

That is the reason why they continually make their big noise about the sins of the unbeliever, because they know that they can't convict them by their what the unbelievers see in their own lives, for there is nothing there to see except self made religious works and which is why they believe in the legislature of God's moral laws to the unbeliever and which can never change their heart.

For is hasn't change the hearts of those who are pushing for it and preaching it either and their pushing for it is the proof of this and also the proof that the churches are in the great apostasy that Paul and the other Apostles warned would be coming.

So while you have quacks like Rodney Howard Browne, preaching his Great Awakening false doctrines, the Bible never speaks of this but rather The Great Apostasy instead and this is why God will also send Jesus very soon to put an end to that Harlot religion and just as Jesus told us it will happen in Revelation 17-18 also.
You're sharking up. You hope that God puts you in charge of eternal punishment, don't you? Hope this gets you your promotion.
 

Yahweh will increase

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You're sharking up. You hope that God puts you in charge of eternal punishment, don't you? Hope this gets you your promotion.
And if I was, you would thank God that my believe about eternal punishment is different from yours to start with, for when God created man, he only gave him a temporary breath of life from the Spirit and not eternal life of any kind and the book of Genesis is clear on that also, for when man sinned, he was forbidden to eat of the Tree of Life so that he could not live forever.

That is just how merciful God is and not to say that there will not be a suffering punishment at all, because there will be but although the punishment itself will be final and therefore end in eternal death without the chance of any further resurrection, those who take part in it will not live for eternity in their suffering and like what your churches falsely teach.



Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish and the enemies of the Lord shall shall be as the fat of rams, they shall consume, into smoke shall they consume away"


Here is where this will happen also, for this will be the conclusion of the day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night and as per Peter below.

2 Peter 3:10-12

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

That is the lake of fire or Gehenna Hell or the second death and this will happen after the Great White Throne judgment and as per Revelation 20, where the souls of all who would not believe the truth will receive their allotment and time of punishment and then be burned up and consumed in the Holy Fire of God.

For as the Bible tells us, God is a consuming fire. or he is a consuming fire.

 

Thistle

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For as the Bible tells us, God is a consuming fire. or he is a consuming fire.
God is certainly a God of wrath, but James and John were not the executors of Gods wrath and neither are you. Quite the contrar, James became the first martyr but John became the apostle of love. I'd be interested to know what you think you're becoming.
 

Carol

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God is certainly a God of wrath, but James and John were not the executors of Gods wrath and neither are you. Quite the contrar, James became the first martyr but John became the apostle of love. I'd be interested to know what you think you're becoming.

"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Fire burns away the dross.
 

Yahweh will increase

Well-known member
Daniel 2:20 and said:

“Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever;
wisdom and power are his.
21 He changes times and seasons;
he deposes kings and raises up others.



Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the
times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.


Daniel 4:17 “‘The decision is announced by messengers (the angels), the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of people.’




Daniel 4:
34 At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.
His dominion is an eternal dominion;
his kingdom endures from generation to generation.
35 All the peoples of the earth
are regarded as nothing.

He does as he pleases
with the powers of heaven
and the peoples of the earth.
No one can hold back his hand
or say to him: “What have you done?”




Very clearly God's word rebukes you and your churches for here is the bottom line, if God is the one who chooses who will be leaders of all nations and who he will remove and when and therefore he does what he pleases no matter what men do, and this is what we see in the verses above, then why on earth do you think you need to be involved in this?

For what do you think you are going to do to alter who he comes into power and who is removed from it if God is the one who chooses this no matter what men do and what they have to say about it also?



If you really want to make a difference, it will not come through your voting but by your obedience to do what God called you to do and also by your petitions to God and if he sees that the majority of the church is sincere in this, then he will answer their prayers and put a leader over us for our blessing.


But whereas you all went out in great numbers to vote for Trump for your blessing and what you thought was good, God allowed the virus to come in and tear down everything that Trump intended to build and he did this to teach you a lesson that you still refuse to learn also.

For you are not the one in control of this and you are not suppose to be either and again your apostate self serving churches went out Washington DC to supposedly seek God's will in this election but you went out amiss, already supposing that it was Trump who should be your President and God revealed once again, that your voting was in vain, for this time he didn't give you what you wanted did he?







I am not going to continue wasting my time going around in circles on these issues with someone like you who only wants to follow the false traditions doctrines of men and not the word of God.

For you have yet to refute a single word of what I am showing you right from the scriptures but instead all you are doing here is altering what was said to fit your own traditional false doctrines about it and without any scripture at all that really backs up what you are saying either.


The fact is, that your churches are belly aching about and also disobeying the leader that God has put in charge over you now and that is sin whether you want to accept it or not.



Furthermore, I don't care what people like you think about what I post on this forum, for if I cared about that, I should be a servant of God or don't you remember Paul's words on that?

God is certainly a God of wrath, but James and John were not the executors of Gods wrath and neither are you. Quite the contrar, James became the first martyr but John became the apostle of love. I'd be interested to know what you think you're becoming.
Where did I ever say that I was the executor of God's wrath dude, I never said any such thing but only revealed that your churches are in the apostasy that the writers of the NT told us was coming and which has, for it is here now and in full course also and you need to wake up to that fact and quick, for you are running out of time.
 

Thistle

Well-known member
"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."

Fire burns away the dross.
Okay, do you have a point?
 
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