Rand Paul took down Fauci today...

Authentic Nouveau

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What is the age group and what about pre-existing conditions? Like overweight or diabetes? I do not believe 4 million died from COVID since the bulk of persons diagnosed are asymptomatic or mild symptoms. That means COVID is not deadly. Besides they jack up the counts by including with COVID with those who died from COVID. All the positive infection i knew recovered with mild symptoms. They put up 300 beds in my area at a sports arena in anticipation of high infection rates, closed down all the schools and none of the beds were needed or used. I have two older brothers who got the jab. Both overweight, one still chews snuff and the other smokes and that means they are already compromised health wise. COVID did not change a thing. Getting the jab was nothing more than a placebo.
5-6% of deaths had no other health problems.
Israel Ministry of Health:
Pfizer vaccine effectiveness against infection (sympt.+asympt.) is down from 94.3% in May to 64% in June. Probable cause: rise of delta prevalence!
Effectiveness against hospitalization down from 98.2% in May to 93% in June!

Israel's Health Ministry reported Thursday that the Pfizer vaccine's efficacy in preventing delta variant infections has dropped to 39 percent, while the vaccination was still 91 percent effective in preventing serious illness among those fully inoculated.
 

Towerwatchman

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All of which is completely irrelevant to the discussio
It's very relevant to the discussion. I have the education, degree, license, and experience to speak on the subject. Care to list what degree you hold that qualifies you to talk. A HS chemistry class?
Cons of what? You've said nothing even remotely related to the discussion.
I can start off of with 4 million + cons. the majority of which are Six Feet Under.
Still waiting one one pro.
 
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Electric Skeptic

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It's very relevant to the discussion.
No, none of it is remotely relevant to the discussion.
I have the education, degree, license, and experience to speak on the subject. Care to list what degree you hold that qualifies you to talk. A HS chemistry class?
You have none of those things. Virology. What are your qualifications and experience in that field?
I can start off of with 4 million + cons. the majority of which are Six Feet Under.
Still waiting one one pro.
You are ranting and, again, completely unrelated to the topic.
 

Towerwatchman

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What is the age group and what about pre-existing conditions? Like overweight or diabetes?
Age and preexisting conditions increase the percentage of death. A healthy person at rest takes on average 10 breaths per minute. When a person is short of breath that can increase to 20 or more. That would be roughly 29K breaths per day, which the patient is consciously laboring to do. They don't rest. What eventually happens is they tire out and stop breathing. Geriatric patients and patients with preexisting conditions are weak, to begin with.
I do not believe 4 million died from COVID since the bulk of persons diagnosed are asymptomatic or mild symptoms. That means COVID is not deadly.
7.9 billion people in this world. 4 million deaths. = .0005 mortality.
Besides they jack up the counts by including with COVID with those who died from COVID.
Do you know of any reason why? In my experience, the numbers are fudge to keep a lower count. Why? Because most hospitals do not what to be known as a covid hot spot. Why? Their bottom line gets hurt. Hospitals make the majority of their revenue from ambulatory service, leasing medical space, elective surgeries, etc. The amount the government pays does not outweigh the loss. So many death certificates will read cardiopulmonary arrest, vs covid 19.
All the positive infection i knew recovered with mild symptoms. They put up 300 beds in my area at a sports arena in anticipation of high infection rates, closed down all the schools and none of the beds were needed or used. I have two older brothers who got the jab. Both overweight, one still chews snuff and the other smokes and that means they are already compromised health wise. COVID did not change a thing. Getting the jab was nothing more than a placebo.
We are a country founded on liberty and freedom, not safety. Washington did not cross the Deleware looking for a vaccine. At this point in the game, everyone is free to make up their own mind. If they are afraid either get the vaccine or stay home. If they are vaccinated or have natural immunity they should have nothing to worry about. As for me, since I caught it early on before we knew what it was, and it was a nasty experience, I don't need or want the vaccine.

300 beds that were not used is not evidence that the virus is not lethal. I see it as evidence that your community was blessed. If you doubt it is lethal there are many Y Tube videos that prove otherwise. The ones from India describe it best.
 

Towerwatchman

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No, none of it is remotely relevant to the discussion.

You have none of those things. Virology. What are your qualifications and experience in that field?

You are ranting and, again, completely unrelated to the topic.
Is "irrelevance" your default? Still waiting on one good thing that came from this 'gain of function research. 4 million dead is acceptable because one day we could discover a definite possibility of an imaginary maybe that might be beneficial.
 

Electric Skeptic

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Is "irrelevance" your default? Still waiting on one good thing that came from this 'gain of function research. 4 million dead is acceptable because one day we could discover a definite possibility of an imaginary maybe that might be beneficial.
I've already provided you with two examples. You, not being a virologist, don't know enough to say that they are false. That fact alone makes your claims that "the only benefit of creating lethal viruses is to use them as a weapon" completely worthless.
 

Towerwatchman

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I've already provided you with two examples. You, not being a virologist, don't know enough to say that they are false. That fact alone makes your claims that "the only benefit of creating lethal viruses is to use them as a weapon" completely worthless.
I am not asking you to share your imagination with us. I am asking for the benefit this virus 'covid 19' brought to humanity. I can give you 4M disadvantages.
 

Harry Leggs

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Age and preexisting conditions increase the percentage of death.
Right so the target group for covid deaths is the over 65 crowd (79.3% in my state while the under 45 is 2.8%) with pre-existing conditions like influenza and Pneumonia (46.1% in my state) and your depiction (below) emboldened could depict pneumonia. The overaction of the immune system is not how the body is supposed to react so the question being what about C-19 causes the immune system to overreact and does it have anything to do with vaccines since vaccines manipulate immune response?

Covid triggers SIRS sudden immune response syndrome, which causes the body to overreact to the infection, so where the infection is the body will react with severe edema. Since the infection is in the lungs , the lungs swell to the point where the patient does not exchange gases, and slowly suffocates over a period of days. Patient will start d-sat on Monday, suffer till Friday with every breath he labors. By Saturday he is dead.
A healthy person at rest takes on average 10 breaths per minute.
12-16 according to the net.
7.9 billion people in this world. 4 million deaths. = .0005 mortality.
Is that covid caused or with covid included?
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But to calculate the true fatality rate, we need to know the true infection rate. If 10,000 people die out of 100,000 infections, that means the virus kills 10 percent of all the people it infects – making it very, very dangerous. But if 10,000 people die from 10 million infections, the death rate is actually 0.1 percent – similar to the flu.

Berenson, Alex. Unreported Truths about COVID-19 and Lockdowns: Part 1: Introduction and Death Counts and Estimates (p. 12). Kindle Edition.
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We don't shut down the economy over the flu. 0005% and the only remedy is an experimental jab? No way.

Do you know of any reason why?
In part to justify the lockdown which put a lot of people out of work, businesses went belly up. This involved professionals. My last Uber driver was an accountant. I would have to review but am sure i can come up with a lot of scenarios. The point being we do not trust them. They lied to us repeatedly (lab origins, cancel culture, censorship) and a lot of it was political. Trump vs all his enemies including never Trump repubs and lying cheating democrats. It could be money interests. Now we find Fauci funded research at the Wuhan lab and we are taking directions from that whole cabal?
In my experience, the numbers are fudge to keep a lower count.
I can provide examples of gun deaths attributed to covid. Drunk driving attributed to covid. So that runs counter to your claim and indicates they are attempting to elevate the numbers. I don't know why they would and i damn sure do not know why they are pushing the vaccine on children. It is crazy.
300 beds that were not used is not evidence that the virus is not lethal.
What does matter is they shut down the economy and it did not need to happen. Kids are behind in education. We dumned them down even further. For no good reason. teacher unions got involved peddling fear and many are rabid democrats., And they are convincing and stubborn. I don't argue with them because it could mean job loss. They lost not one thing while the parents of their students underwent job loss. Now the schools pass out free meals to impoverished families. It is called collateral damage and it is all ignored.
I see it as evidence that your community was blessed. If you doubt it is lethal there are many Y Tube videos that prove otherwise. The ones from India describe it best.
India is backward. They were using feces as cure. So i don't know what is going on there. I do know that my state is not India nor is my state NYC which has always been a disease central including AIDS. So whatever is happening there is no reason to shut everything down here. I live in a red state for a reason.
 
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vibise

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In May of 2020 when we had sufficient data,, we noticed that 25% of the infected were dying, today 2% of the infected are dying. This leads us to conclude that this virus was not only manufactured in the lab but manufactured to kill at a high rate and then taper off. The virus is a military weapon, and fauci funded it.
Of course the true numbers would be lower because we had many people who were asymptomatic but based on the samples we can still conclude it was a military weapon.
It makes no sense to create a biological weapon that does what you say, and then release it in the middle of your own country, all without a vaccine or treatment for your own people.
 

Backup

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It makes no sense to create a biological weapon that does what you say, and then release it in the middle of your own country, all without a vaccine or treatment for your own people.
It makes sense if you imagine your enemies to be cartoon monsters that only care about being evil.
 

Backup

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I get it, the left is the only place to get information.
no

It is really easy to tell if a source is legitimate of totally crazy. Remember your link to that website that went on about the galactic empire? Anyone with walking around sense would see that as nuts.

If all the credible sources of information are on the left, it just means people on the right are factually wrong.
 

Torin

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no

It is really easy to tell if a source is legitimate of totally crazy. Remember your link to that website that went on about the galactic empire? Anyone with walking around sense would see that as nuts.
I agree.

If all the credible sources of information are on the left, it just means people on the right are factually wrong.
The Wall Street Journal is credible and on the (center-)right, so the antecedent of your conditional is false.
 

CrowCross

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no

It is really easy to tell if a source is legitimate of totally crazy. Remember your link to that website that went on about the galactic empire? Anyone with walking around sense would see that as nuts.

If all the credible sources of information are on the left, it just means people on the right are factually wrong.
and I should trust the sites from the left that say only 3 people died from the jab?

As to the galactic empires....many sites don't filter...censor...unlike the left.
 

Towerwatchman

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Right so the target group for covid deaths is the over 65 crowd (79.3% in my state while the under 45 is 2.8%) with pre-existing conditions like influenza and Pneumonia (46.1% in my state) and your depiction (below) emboldened could depict pneumonia. The overaction of the immune system is not how the body is supposed to react so the question being what about C-19 causes the immune system to overreact and does it have anything to do with vaccines since vaccines manipulate immune response?
SIRS sudden immune response syndrome. In the medical field when we cannot explain how X works we call it a syndrome. We don't know how SIRS is triggered, let alone how covid triggers it. And this is what is dangerous about it. Covid can trigger SIRS in anyone regardless of age or morbidity. Recall the Spanish Flu, during the second wave more healthy individuals 25-35-year-olds than the very old or very young. The cause SIRS. The edema is caused when the immune system overreacts and floods the body with inflammatory proteins called cytokines, this is triggered by high levels of c-reactive proteins. Notice, it has nothing to do with the body's ability to produce anti-bodies. Think of it as the came company different departments.
12-16 according to the net.
21-16 encompasses the adult population as a whole. A healthy person at rest averages 1 breath every 6 seconds.
Is that covid caused or with covid included?
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But to calculate the true fatality rate, we need to know the true infection rate. If 10,000 people die out of 100,000 infections, that means the virus kills 10 percent of all the people it infects – making it very, very dangerous. But if 10,000 people die from 10 million infections, the death rate is actually 0.1 percent – similar to the flu.

Berenson, Alex. Unreported Truths about COVID-19 and Lockdowns: Part 1: Introduction and Death Counts and Estimates (p. 12). Kindle Edition.
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We don't shut down the economy over the flu. 0005% and the only remedy is an experimental jab? No way.
Worldwide it is difficult if impossible to calculate. Some countries are unable to do so. I gave you the low end, total world population, and deaths.
www.coronavirusworldometer, is a good resource to track the numbers. If you open the US page, around the top is the box 'closed cases' click on show statistics. This calculates infected that survived vs infected that died. Beginning of May we had sufficient data to conclude that we were looking at a 25% death rate. That influences the lockdowns substantially. If the infected rate continued to increase at the rate it did with the same death rate we were looking at approx 1M dead before the end of the year. But then something interesting happened, that is not natural. Note the death rate tappers off to 2% today. The tapering off is what leads me to conclude that not only was this produced in a lab but was produced in this manner. And the only useful purpose for this course is a millitary weapon.
In part to justify the lockdown which put a lot of people out of work, businesses went belly up. This involved professionals. My last Uber driver was an accountant. I would have to review but am sure i can come up with a lot of scenarios. The point being we do not trust them. They lied to us repeatedly (lab origins, cancel culture, censorship) and a lot of it was political. Trump vs all his enemies including never Trump repubs and lying cheating democrats. It could be money interests. Now we find Fauci funded research at the Wuhan lab and we are taking directions from that whole cabal?
I live in Florida. We handled this much differently than in other states. The governor allowed each county to regulate itself. Schools in my county closed, but businesses did not shut down. We adjusted.
I can provide examples of gun deaths attributed to covid. Drunk driving attributed to covid. So that runs counter to your claim and indicates they are attempting to elevate the numbers. I don't know why they would and i damn sure do not know why they are pushing the vaccine on children. It is crazy.
If you read my post I am attributing overdoses, and people needlessly dying at home from something that could have been treated. Household abuse etc. But yes the numbers had been fudge to keep them low.
What does matter is they shut down the economy and it did not need to happen. Kids are behind in education. We dumned them down even further. For no good reason. teacher unions got involved peddling fear and many are rabid democrats., And they are convincing and stubborn. I don't argue with them because it could mean job loss. They lost not one thing while the parents of their students underwent job loss. Now the schools pass out free meals to impoverished families. It is called collateral damage and it is all ignored.
I agree. Again if you look at the chart we we are running a 2% death rate on that sample. That is a substantial decline. Also, keep in mind that the numbers will be much lower due to asymptomatic individuals that never reported. The virus has been politicized for control. For example end of August 2020, Florida was open, some counties with higher populations had their restrictions. 7 day average of new infections 3021, 7 day average of deaths 113, meanwhile NY which was lockdown tight at the time had a 7 day average of new infections 733 and 7 day average of deaths 8.
India is backward. They were using feces as cure. So i don't know what is going on there. I do know that my state is not India nor is my state NYC which has always been a disease central including AIDS. So whatever is happening there is no reason to shut everything down here. I live in a red state for a reason.
The reason I asked you to watch India was not for their therapeutics but the videos show people suffocating from SIRS.
 
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