RCC funding Saul Alinsky's Marxist revolutions + Rome ties to Crowley, Satanism

[Septextura]

Interesting research from the Lepanto Institute.

https://www.lepantoin.org/the-marxist-core-of-the-catholic-campaign-for-human-development/

They fund the same organizations Soros does, including pro-abortion NGOs, and they were funding Biden's campaign recently.

https://www.lepantoin.org/catholic-funded-network-continues-shilling-for-democrat-candidates/

 

[mica]

that's pretty disgusting, isn't it? but not something that surprises me at all. I don't think that I know any catholics who don't support the Dems. look at the example of catholics in politics, Biden, Pelosi, Tim Kain (ran as vp w/Hillary), John Kerry and there's tons more. They're all for this 'social justice'. It isn't biblical. What most of them put out in their 'politics' isn't biblical. but then why expect it to be, what they believe as catholics isn't biblical either.

I didn't watch all of the video yet but will keep watching it a bit later. At least someone in the RCC is out there trying to expose the hypocrisy of the RCC.

that the dems support abortion should be major enough to keep catholics from voting for dems. They'll claim to high heaven that they oppose abortion but then vote for those who will support and fund it.

the dem platform took God and support for Israel out of it.

 

[Septextura]

that's pretty disgusting, isn't it? but not something that surprises me at all. I don't think that I know any catholics who don't support the Dems. look at the example of catholics in politics, Biden, Pelosi, Tim Kain (ran as vp w/Hillary), John Kerry and there's tons more. They're all for this 'social justice'. It isn't biblical. What most of them put out in their 'politics' isn't biblical. but then why expect it to be, what they believe as catholics isn't biblical either.

I didn't watch all of the video yet but will keep watching it a bit later. At least someone in the RCC is out there trying to expose the hypocrisy of the RCC.

that the dems support abortion should be major enough to keep catholics from voting for dems. They'll claim to high heaven that they oppose abortion but then vote for those who will support and fund it.

the dem platform took God and support for Israel out of it.

I don't criticize the laity since they are split regarding political ideology and morals. But the Vatican seems very consistent and uniform in its anti-Christ behavior. Ultimately the responsibility falls on the elders the most.

 

[jonathan_hili]

I tried researching this issue but practically everything goes back to the article linked to the Lepanto Institute. That gives me pause for thought. Usually, reliable news stories will be drawn from various independent sources.

However, even if it's true that some funds from the CCHD are going towards organisations that support anti-Catholic morality, this is at worst material cooperation with evil (and perhaps even remote material cooperation), so is not necessarily sinful.

Personally, I also think this is a very American issue. In the States it seems that any left-wing/social welfare approach is seem as "Communist" and to be feared. That's not the case throughout the rest of the world, where social welfare and Christianity cohere quite well.

 

[mica]

I tried researching this issue but practically everything goes back to the article linked to the Lepanto Institute. That gives me pause for thought. Usually, reliable news stories will be drawn from various independent sources.

However, even if it's true that some funds from the CCHD are going towards organisations that support anti-Catholic morality, this is at worst material cooperation with evil (and perhaps even remote material cooperation), so is not necessarily sinful.

Personally, I also think this is a very American issue. In the States it seems that any left-wing/social welfare approach is seem as "Communist" and to be feared. That's not the case throughout the rest of the world, where social welfare and Christianity cohere quite well.

what's your definition of social justice?

 

[mica]

I don't criticize the laity since they are split regarding political ideology and morals. But the Vatican seems very consistent and uniform in its anti-Christ behavior. Ultimately the responsibility falls on the elders the most.

if they're giving money to the RCC then they too are responsible.

 

[jonathan_hili]

what's your definition of social justice?

It's a very broad term but in terms of the poor, that they be supported and that our social structures are organised to provide employment and welfare support to the most vulnerable in our society.

 

[Septextura]

if they're giving money to the RCC then they too are responsible.

If they are aware of its apostasy yet keep coming to them and lining their pockets, they are indeed responsible. But things are not always this simple. If you have the elder directly above you not to be a partaker in such grievous sins, but he passes % of the collections to a corrupt hierarchy above, should you stop contributing altogether? Your local church will suffer for it, while the wicked rulers will find alternate sources of funding, which the Vatican certainly does (example real estate, tourism).

I imagine this is something lay Catholics have as a dilemma. I could be wrong.

 

[leonard03782]

I tried researching this issue but practically everything goes back to the article linked to the Lepanto Institute. That gives me pause for thought. Usually, reliable news stories will be drawn from various independent sources.

However, even if it's true that some funds from the CCHD are going towards organisations that support anti-Catholic morality, this is at worst material cooperation with evil (and perhaps even remote material cooperation), so is not necessarily sinful.

Personally, I also think this is a very American issue. In the States it seems that any left-wing/social welfare approach is seem as "Communist" and to be feared. That's not the case throughout the rest of the world, where social welfare and Christianity cohere quite well.

Really?? Then how do you explain western Europe?? They have kicked GOD off of the continent a long time ago. Unfortunately, America is doing the same thing.
Really?? Then how do you explain communist Soviet Union and China where Christian's were/are openly persecuted, murdered, and/or sent to re-education camps?
Socialism/Communism is all about grabbing and maintaining control over people and making them dependent on government. In essence, these people want to be god.

 

[leonard03782]

If they are aware of its apostasy yet keep coming to them and lining their pockets, they are indeed responsible. But things are not always this simple. If you have the elder directly above you not to be a partaker in such grievous sins, but he passes % of the collections to a corrupt hierarchy above, should you stop contributing altogether? Your local church will suffer for it, while the wicked rulers will find alternate sources of funding, which the Vatican certainly does (example real estate, tourism).

I imagine this is something lay Catholics have as a dilemma. I could be wrong.

Do you actually believe the rcc cares about the local church? Rome bankrupts entire dioceses in order prevent paying victims of it's pervert class of "priests". Funny thing is that those dioceses still manage to operate.

 

[jonathan_hili]

Really?? Then how do you explain western Europe?? They have kicked GOD off of the continent a long time ago. Unfortunately, America is doing the same thing.
Really?? Then how do you explain communist Soviet Union and China where Christian's were/are openly persecuted, murdered, and/or sent to re-education camps?
Socialism/Communism is all about grabbing and maintaining control over people and making them dependent on government. In essence, these people want to be god.

Leonard, I mean the disdain of everything socialistic seems to me especially American because of their (at least perceived) love of capitalism and individualism. We need to be balanced because capitalism can set itself up as a god too. There good aspects of both socialism and capitalism should be identified and embraced to help improve the social conditions of citizens (especially the poor), without being deluded into thinking we're going to create a utopia.

 

[leonard03782]

Leonard, I mean the disdain of everything socialistic seems to me especially American because of their (at least perceived) love of capitalism and individualism. We need to be balanced because capitalism can set itself up as a god too. There good aspects of both socialism and capitalism should be identified and embraced to help improve the social conditions of citizens (especially the poor), without being deluded into thinking we're going to create a utopia.

1) you totally missed the point that I was trying make.
2) it does not surprise me that you just do not get it.

 

[RayneBeau]

It's a very broad term but in terms of the poor, that they be supported and that our social structures are organised to provide employment and welfare support to the most vulnerable in our society.

Roman Catholicism has built an entire religion utilizing "very broad terms"- because in that way their definitions and proclamations are so broad and inflated that they can't be held to any specific meaning.
It's just one of their many cunning instruments of deception that they employ, just as it is for you.

 

[jonathan_hili]

1) you totally missed the point that I was trying make.
2) it does not surprise me that you just do not get it.

What is the point? That removing God from public life is a terrible thing and will have bad consequences? I don't disagree.

 

[jonathan_hili]

Roman Catholicism has built an entire religion utilizing "very broad terms"- because in that way their definitions and proclamations are so broad and inflated that they can't be held to any specific meaning.
It's just one of their many cunning instruments of deception that they employ, just as it is for you.

Anyone who deals with anything in a sophisticated and intelligent way needs to understand where terms are broad and where they are specified. Remember when Jesus was asked who one's brother was? He didn't respond with specificity but gave a broad response through a parable. That makes sense because once you particularise "brotherhood" it then excludes others who might be considered one's brothers.