Reconciled to God while enemies !

brightfame52

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To be reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, entails two things for them He died for,

Forgiveness/Justification and non imputation of sin and imputation of righteousness which again is Justification, and this while being enemies.
 
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guest1

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Seth did't I tell you I didn't want to have any conservation with you? You just like to troll, nothing more. And why are you in this forum anyway? This is for Calvinists & Arminians.
Amen brother!

The person despises Calvinists and “ claims “ it’s unverified that he goes to a Calvinist church. If he really did they would apply the doctrine is excommunication to him until he repented of his false teachings concerning the Real Jesus and the gospel.

@Sethproton
 
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TomFL

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To be reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, entails two things for them He died for,

Forgiveness/Justification and non imputation of sin and imputation of righteousness which again is Justification, and this while being enemies.
Yet

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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TomFL

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I know you dont understand these things !
You know little

and answer nothing

Yet

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 

brightfame52

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You know little

and answer nothing

Yet

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Do you understand that those Christ died for are reconciled to God while being unbelievers/enemies ?
 
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TomFL

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Do you understand that those Christ died for are reconciled to God while being unbelievers/enemies ?
Will you ever address the extent of Christ's reconciliation efforts ?

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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guest1

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Will you ever address the extent of Christ's reconciliation efforts ?

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
No he doesn’t know how Tom.
 

brightfame52

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Will you ever address the extent of Christ's reconciliation efforts ?

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
I've addressed that verse many many times in this thread.
 

brightfame52

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Christ by His Death has wrought reconciliation between God and men. Now has He done a complete work of it ? Are any for whom He wrought this work for by His Cross yet unreconciled ? In order for reconciliation to be complete, the parties involved must be reconciled to one another, just one party reconciled won't do, that's incomplete, Remember this Matt 5:23-24

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Reconciliation isn't complete in this Illustration. Yet many describe the Lords work of reconciliation in this incomplete fashion.


Now Christs work of reconciliation is complete and successful in that it by His death/blood hath eliminated/pacified Gods righteous wrath that He had towards the sins of His People. Yet there's still a problem because Gods people naturally have enmity and hatred towards God in their minds and hearts Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Col 1:20-21

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

So Christ in order to be a complete reconciler , for Hs work to be perfect here, He must reconcile the mind, heart, and affections of these sinners He died for to God.

And this He doeth accomplish, read Col 1:21 again, notice "
you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled"

How did He accomplish this ? Col 1:22

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

You see that ? Its accomplished by His Death !

So if anyone Christ died for isnt reconciled to God, experientially, with a new heart, mind and affections for God then it belies the the success of the reconciling work of Christs death, which God forbid !
 
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TomFL

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I've addressed that verse many many times in this thread.


Not in regard to what I noted

Will you ever address the extent of Christ's reconciliation efforts ?

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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TomFL

Guest
Christ by His Death has wrought reconciliation between God and men. Now has He done a complete work of it ? Are any for whom He wrought this work for by His Cross yet unreconciled ? In order for reconciliation to be complete, the parties involved must be reconciled to one another, just one party reconciled won't do, that's incomplete, Remember this Matt 5:23-24

23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

Reconciliation isn't complete in this Illustration. Yet many describe the Lords work of reconciliation in this incomplete fashion.


Now Christs work of reconciliation is complete and successful in that it by His death/blood hath eliminated/pacified Gods righteous wrath that He had towards the sins of His People. Yet there's still a problem because Gods people naturally have enmity and hatred towards God in their minds and hearts Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Col 1:20-21

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

So Christ in order to be a complete reconciler , for Hs work to be perfect here, He must reconcile the mind, heart, and affections of these sinners He died for to God.

And this He doeth accomplish, read Col 1:21 again, notice "
you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled"

How did He accomplish this ? Col 1:22

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

You see that ? Its accomplished by His Death !

So if anyone Christ died for isnt reconciled to God, experientially, with a new heart, mind and affections for God then it belies the the success of the reconciling work of Christs death, which God forbid !
2 Corinthians 5:20 (KJV)
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Was Paul ignorant ?

Are the elect born with a new heart, mind and affections ?
 

brightfame52

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tom asked

Are the elect born with a new heart, mind and affections ?

Yes when they are born again of the Spirit, hence Christ provides the Spirit to them in New Birth, with that comes new mind, heart, and affections towards God. Christs death provides whats needed to reconcile them He died for unto God. You still dont get it.
 
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TomFL

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tom asked



Yes when they are born again of the Spirit, hence Christ provides the Spirit to them in New Birth, with that comes new mind, heart, and affections towards God. Christs death provides whats needed to reconcile them He died for unto God. You still dont get it.
Why do they need a new birth when you declare them justified and righteous from eternity

and why would the justified and the righteous need reconciliation

Your theology makes no sense
 
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