Reducing God to the truth and reality.

Nouveau

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Strawman. I didn't say minds have to exist inside other minds.

Another strawman.
That's a contradiction. I can't be strawmanning you to say you think God exists in your mind AND to say that you think he exists outside of it - unless you don't think God exists at all. So where does God exist? Inside your mind? Or outside of your mind? If neither, then that makes you an atheist too!

All minds have to do to share the same truth and reality is share the same beliefs, and they get to know and experience the same truth and reality. Now deal with what's being said to you.
This doesn't answer my point. Suppose you and God are sharing the same beliefs, as per above, and are therefore sharing the same reality. Does this put you inside of God's mind or outside of it? And does it put God inside your mind or outside of it?

Sure I answered, you just evaded what I said.
You have not answered. You are evading again. You seem to do this a lot. In fact, pretty much every time I ask you anything, you dodge, weave, and evade, making up all kinds of excuses. Try again. All you have to do is give T (true) or F (false) for each of 1-3 below.

1. Reality is God's mind. (True or False?)
2. You are in reality. (True or False?)
3. You are not in God's mind. (True or False?)
 

Tercon

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That's a contradiction.

No, that's just you contradicting what I said and not me contradicting myself silly.

I can't be strawmanning you to say you think God exists in your mind AND to say that you think he exists outside of it - unless you don't think God exists at all. So where does God exist? Inside your mind? Or outside of your mind? If neither, then that makes you an atheist too!

You are strawmanning, because It is ONLY YOU here who is pretending that minds have to be inside one another to know and experience the same truth and reality.

This is how minds share the same truth and reality: Minds share the SAME truth and reality by believing the same truth and experiencing the same reality. We don't have to be in one another's minds to experience the same truth and reality.

This doesn't answer my point. Suppose you and God are sharing the same beliefs, as per above, and are therefore sharing the same reality. Does this put you inside of God's mind or outside of it? And does it put God inside your mind or outside of it?

If the only way and place that reality can be known to exist and occur is in and with a believing mind, because outside of a believing mind reality can't be known to exist or occur, then reality must exist in and with a believing mind. Why?

Everything that is known to exist and occur exists and occurs in and because of someone's believing mind. So, the truth, reality and belief must originate in and with and be the product God's believing mind. Therefore, sharing God's belief's is in fact sharing in His mind as well.

You have not answered. You are evading again. You seem to do this a lot. In fact, pretty much every time I ask you anything, you dodge, weave, and evade, making up all kinds of excuses. Try again. All you have to do is give T (true) or F (false) for each of 1-3 below.

1. Reality is God's mind. (True or False?)
2. You are in reality. (True or False?)
3. You are not in God's mind. (True or False?)

Everything you have said here is a strawman. Deal with what's being said to you instead of evading silly.
 

Whateverman

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He can only be known to exist and occur where all truth and reality exists and occurs; and that's in and with a believing mind.
According to you, God can only exist in a mind.

You can't answer Nouveau's question because you don't want to admit you were wrong.

I'm sure Jesus appreciates your heartfelt humility...
 

Nouveau

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No, that's just you contradicting what I said and not me contradicting myself silly.
Okay, so God exists, but he doesn't exist inside your mind and he doesn't exist outside of it either. Do I have that much correct?

You are strawmanning, because It is ONLY YOU here who is pretending that minds have to be inside one another to know and experience the same truth and reality. This is how minds share the same truth and reality: Minds share the SAME truth and reality by believing the same truth and experiencing the same reality. We don't have to be in one another's minds to experience the same truth and reality.
I think you're strawmanning me. I never said that minds have to be inside of each other. I'm just asking you where God exists, if neither inside nor outside of your mind. Why can't you answer?

Everything you have said here is a strawman. Deal with what's being said to you instead of evading silly.
I didn't make any claims there, so I don't see how I could be strawmanning you. I merely presented three propositions and asked you whether each one is true or false. Are you evading because you are a dishonest person, or because you don't understand what you are being asked? I can rephrase them as simple Y/N questions if that helps.

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 

Tercon

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According to you, God can only exist in a mind.

Everything including the truth and reality can ONLY be known to exist and occur in a believing mind silly.

You can't answer Nouveau's question because you don't want to admit you were wrong.

The monkey man's question is irrelevant and inapplicable, because it is meant to lead away from the truth and reality, rather than to it.

I'm sure Jesus appreciates your heartfelt humility...

Actually he does, because I know Him personally, since we share the same truth and reality.
 

Tercon

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Okay, so God exists, but he doesn't exist inside your mind and he doesn't exist outside of it either. Do I have that much correct? I think you're strawmanning me. I never said that minds have to be inside of each other. I'm just asking you where God exists, if neither inside nor outside of your mind. Why can't you answer?

You are reificating a believing mind and pretending that a believing mind is like a concrete object, but that's not how a believing mind works. Believing minds don't have to exist inside one another in order to know and experience the same truth and reality. Rather, if different minds share the same belief; then they get to know and experience the same truth and reality. So, when you pretend I haven't or can't answer your question that there is no way for minds to know and experience the same truth and reality, then that's a strawman, because there clearly is a way that the same truth and reality can be known, experienced and shared; it's called belief.

I didn't make any claims there, so I don't see how I could be strawmanning you. I merely presented three propositions and asked you whether each one is true or false. Are you evading because you are a dishonest person, or because you don't understand what you are being asked? I can rephrase them as simple Y/N questions if that helps.

You are strawmanning because you are misrepresenting what I believe about how the truth and a believing mind works to make reality known.

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

Reality is a product of God's believing mind. And like the truth and reality belief too can only be known and experienced in and by a mind, because outside of a believing mind nothing is knowable or experienceable, not even physicality.

2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)

Believing minds can share the same truth by just having the same beliefs in reality.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

That's not how the truth and reality works.
Believers only get to share and partake in God's truth and reality when they have, share and believe as Christ does. Christian faith is just the beliefs in the truth and reality God that the believer shares with Christ.
 

Nouveau

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You are reificating a believing mind and pretending that a believing mind is like a concrete object, but that's not how a believing mind works. Believing minds don't have to exist inside one another in order to know and experience the same truth and reality. Rather, if different minds share the same belief; then they get to know and experience the same truth and reality. So, when you pretend I haven't or can't answer your question that there is no way for minds to know and experience the same truth and reality, then that's a strawman, because there clearly is a way that the same truth and reality can be known, experienced and shared; it's called belief.
I'm not 'reificating' anything. You've also misrepresented my question. Again, are you saying that God does not exist either inside or outside of your mind?

You are strawmanning because you are misrepresenting what I believe about how the truth and a believing mind works to make reality known.
No I'm not. Stop making excuses for your dishonest evasion.

Reality is a product of God's believing mind. And like the truth and reality belief too can only be known and experienced in and by a mind, because outside of a believing mind nothing is knowable or experienceable, not even physicality.

Believing minds can share the same truth by just having the same beliefs in reality.

That's not how the truth and reality works.
Believers only get to share and partake in God's truth and reality when they have, share and believe as Christ does. Christian faith is just the beliefs in the truth and reality God that the believer shares with Christ.
You didn't answer anything that was asked. Is that because you didn't understand the questions, or because you are a fundamentally dishonest person? Try again:

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 

Tercon

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I'm not 'reificating' anything. You've also misrepresented my question. Again, are you saying that God does not exist either inside or outside of your mind?

Sure you are. You are pretending that the truth and reality is knowable and occurable outside of a believing mind, when nothing can be known to exist or occur outside of a believing mind silly.

No I'm not. Stop making excuses for your dishonest evasion.

Yes you are. If not, then tell me how anything is known to exist or occur outside of a believing mind silly?

You didn't answer anything that was asked. Is that because you didn't understand the questions, or because you are a fundamentally dishonest
person? Try again:

I done better than that, I actually refuted your misleading loaded questions that lead away from how the truth and reality is known. You hide from the truth and reality, you can either face it on this side of eternity and let it correct you here. Or you will face it on the other side of eternity, when it is too late.

That's what you tell yourself to hide from the truth and reality of God.

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

Reality is a product of God's believing mind. And like the truth and reality belief too can only be known and experienced in and by a mind, because outside of a believing mind nothing is knowable or experienceable, not even physicality.

2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)

Believing minds can share the same truth by just having the same beliefs in reality.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

That's not how the truth and reality works.
Believers only get to share and partake in God's truth and reality when they have, share and believe as Christ does. Christian faith is just the beliefs in the truth and reality God that the believer shares with Christ.
 

Nouveau

Well-known member
Sure you are. You are pretending that the truth and reality is knowable and occurable outside of a believing mind, when nothing can be known to exist or occur outside of a believing mind silly.
I'm not doing any of that. I'm simply asking if what you are saying is that God doesn't exist inside your mind and doesn't exist outside of it either. Is that what you are saying? Why would you refuse to clarify your position?

I done better than that, I actually refuted your misleading loaded questions...
You're still making excuses. My questions were not loaded, nor did you make any effort to show that they were. Try again. Try being honest for once.

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 

Tercon

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I'm not doing any of that. I'm simply asking if what you are saying is that God doesn't exist inside your mind and doesn't exist outside of it either. Is that what you are saying? Why would you refuse to clarify your position?

Strawman, I have clarified, but you keep trying to poison the well and conceal how different minds can share the same truth and reality by just having and sharing the same belief. You do this in order to keep the truth and reality of God hidden from yourself.

You're still making excuses. My questions were not loaded, nor did you make any effort to show that they were. Try again. Try being honest for once.

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

Sure they are loaded, because you are pretending that minds have to be inside of one another in order to share the same knowledge of the truth and reality. When in reality all minds have to do to share the same reality is to share the same beliefs.
 

Tercon

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It's not even a word, Tercon. Things like this are why people ask if English is your first language.

Your opinion in this discussion is irrelevant and inapplicable, because you have given up the only way and means by which the truth and reality is known. So you have nothing to offer in regards to reality, you have denied yourself the means to even know it.

Now it is, because from now on when you see someone use the word "reificating", you will know that it just means a verb form that is used for present participle of reification.

"-ing is a suffix used to make one of the inflected forms of English verbs. This verb form is used as a present participle, as a gerund, and sometimes as an independent noun or adjective."
 

Tercon

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Yours has been for more than a decade here, and yet you still keep talking.

I am still talking because I know how and why the truth and reality is known to me.
But unbelievers disbelieve that belief has the capacity to make the truth known to themselves, so they are ignorant of how a why the truth and reality is known.

Reificate isn't a word either, foreigner.
Here is one for you; Reification seems to be inherent in its Marxists.
 

Nouveau

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Your opinion in this discussion is irrelevant and inapplicable, because you have given up the only way and means by which the truth and reality is known. So you have nothing to offer in regards to reality, you have denied yourself the means to even know it.

Now it is, because from now on when you see someone use the word "reificating", you will know that it just means a verb form that is used for present participle of reification.

"-ing is a suffix used to make one of the inflected forms of English verbs. This verb form is used as a present participle, as a gerund, and sometimes as an independent noun or adjective."
Incorrect. Here are some actual words: reify, reification, reifying.

Here is a non-word that you made up: reificating.
 

Nouveau

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Strawman, I have clarified, but you keep trying to poison the well and conceal how different minds can share the same truth and reality by just having and sharing the same belief. You do this in order to keep the truth and reality of God hidden from yourself.
You have not clarified. You keep trying to change the subject instead. I'm not asking about how different minds share truth and realty. I'm asking about the location of God with respect to your mind, and you keep contradicting yourself and then refusing to clarify.

Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]
Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]

Sure they are loaded, because you are pretending that minds have to be inside of one another in order to share the same knowledge of the truth and reality. When in reality all minds have to do to share the same reality is to share the same beliefs.
That's a strawman. My questions do not say or assume anything about how knowledge is shared. They don't even mention knowledge at all. So you have failed to show the questions to be loaded, and are instead just dishonestly evading them. Try again:

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 
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