Reducing God to the truth and reality.

Tercon

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You have not clarified. You keep trying to change the subject instead. I'm not asking about how different minds share truth and realty. I'm asking about the location of God with respect to your mind, and you keep contradicting yourself and then refusing to clarify.

If we can share the same truth and reality by sharing the same beliefs, then God can share His thoughts and mind when we believe as He believes in sharing His beliefs.

Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]

The Spirit of truth exists in the believer's mind, He influence what believers believe. So, when believers have a belief in reality, they get to share His Spirit and Mind too.

Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]

God's truth and reality can be known to exist in anyone who believes.

That's a strawman. My questions do not say or assume anything about how knowledge is shared. They don't even mention knowledge at all. So you have failed to show the questions to be loaded, and are instead just dishonestly evading them. Try again:

1. Is reality contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

Yes. The truth and reality are belief based, because they require and entail a believing mind in order to be known to exist and occur.

2. Is your mind contained within reality? (Y/N)

Yes. When I believe as Christ believes I get to share and participate in His reality.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

It's a strawman because you are pretending that minds are like concrete objects, you are reifying a believing mind and pretending that believing minds work like physical objects. FYI, they don't. And you are conflating a brain and a believing mind.

Believers exist in God's truth and reality (aka His Kingdom) when they believe in the same way Christ believes. The believer embraces the truth as Christ did and God's Spirit of truth comes alive in the believer. The believer then gets to share in what God believes.

The truth, logic, consciousness, existence and reality itself are not physical in nature. These are all mental abstracts that require and entail a believing mind in order to be known to occur and exist.
That's why scientists can't get past the requirement and entailment of "observation" and "measurement" in QM, it is because WFC and entanglement requires and entails a way and place for it to occur. And the only thing capable of hosting WFC and entanglement is a believing mind.
 

Nouveau

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If we can share the same truth and reality by sharing the same beliefs, then God can share His thoughts and mind when we believe as He believes in sharing His beliefs.
What does that have to do with the location of God?

The Spirit of truth exists in the believer's mind, He influence what believers believe. So, when believers have a belief in reality, they get to share His Spirit and Mind too.
Does that mean God does, or does not, exist inside your mind?

God's truth and reality can be known to exist in anyone who believes.
Does that mean God does, or does not, exist outside of your mind?

Yes. The truth and reality are belief based, because they require and entail a believing mind in order to be known to exist and occur.
Great, so reality exists inside God's mind...

Yes. When I believe as Christ believes I get to share and participate in His reality.
...and you exist in that reality (which is inside God's mind).

So can you put two and two together to work out where you exist with respect to God's mind?

It's a strawman...
Oh dear! You were so close! Still 2 out of 3 is your best effort yet, so well done on nearly being honest enough to answer all three questions. You've got just one more to go. Give it your best shot!

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 

Tercon

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What does that have to do with the location of God?
Does that mean God does, or does not, exist inside your mind?

That's where we are all are known to exist silly, there is no other way or place that possesses the capacity of a believing mind to make our existence known to us. And if there was, then you would have said what that other way and place is.

Does that mean God does, or does not, exist outside of your mind?

His truth and reality is known to exist and occur in a believer's mind, because the believer believes in His truth and reality.

Great, so reality exists inside God's mind...

Yes. The truth and reality originates in God's believing mind, because outside of a believing mind the truth and reality can't be known to exist or occur.

...and you exist in that reality (which is inside God's mind).

Yes, if reality can only be known to exist and occur in a believing mind; then His reality exists and occurs in His believing mind. I think at this point the believer is just along for the ride and it is just His believing mind that is the basis of the truth and reality.

So can you put two and two together to work out where you exist with respect to God's mind?
Oh dear! You were so close! Still 2 out of 3 is your best effort yet, so well done on nearly being honest enough to answer all three questions. You've got just one more to go. Give it your best shot!

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

I can do better than that, I can put billions and billions together believing in the same way and Thing, and all getting and coming to the same knowledge and experiencing the same truth and reality at the same time. That's the power of the truth and reality working in and with belief and a believing mind. And nothing else is capable of that feat.
 
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Nouveau

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That's where we are all are known to exist silly, there is no other way or place that possesses the capacity of a believing mind to make our existence known to us. And if there was, then you would have said what that other way and place is.
His truth and reality is known to exist and occur in a believer's mind, because the believer believes in His truth and reality.
So God exists only in your mind, and does not exist outside of it?

I can put billions and billions together believing in the same way and Thing, and all getting to the knowledge and experiencing His truth and reality at the same time. That's the power of belief and a believing mind. And nothing else is capable of that feat.
You're still not answering the question. Try again. You're nearly there!

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 

Tercon

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So God exists only in your mind, and does not exist outside of it?

Everything that is known to exist and occur is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with our believing minds silly.

You're still not answering the question. Try again. You're nearly there!

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

You mean I am not following your illegitimate narrative of materialism.

As a believer I get to know God's Mind, and experience, share and participate in His truth and reality. That's how a believing mind and the truth work together in order to make His reality known.

Everything that exists and occurs is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind, because nothing can be known to exist or occur without or outside of a believing mind. You can wallow around in your unbelief and skepticism all you want, but until you believe the truth and reality IT is out of your grasp.
 
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Nouveau

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Everything that is known to exist and occur is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with our believing minds silly.
So God exists only in your mind, and not outside of it? Do I have that right?

You mean I am not following your illegitimate narrative of materialism.

As a believer I get to know God's Mind, and experience, share and participate in His truth and reality. That's how a believing mind and the truth work together in order to make His reality known.

Everything that exists and occurs is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind, because nothing can be known to exist or occur without or outside of a believing mind. You can wallow around in your unbelief and skepticism all you want, but until you believe the truth and reality is out of your grasp.
Wow, you're really bad at this whole answering questions thing, aren't you. Remember how above you actually gave a Yes or No in response to my questions? See if you can do that again! Here we go...

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)
 

Tercon

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So God exists only in your mind, and not outside of it? Do I have that right?

No. God exists in His believing mind. But when a believer believes as He believes they get to know and experience His reality and believing mind too.

Wow, you're really bad at this whole answering questions thing, aren't you. Remember how above you actually gave a Yes or No in response to my questions? See if you can do that again! Here we go...

Wow, you really are bad at this whole truth and reality thing aren't you. Can't even remember you actually admitting to the ONLY way and place the truth and reality can be known to exist and occur. But you can't tell me of another way or place that the truth and reality can be known to exist and occur can you? You have failed monkey man, because you have no other way or place outside of a believing mind that the truth and reality can be known to exist and occur do you.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? (Y/N)

Everything that exists and occurs is ONLY known to exist and occur in and because of God's believing mind, as outside of His believing mind nothing can be known to exist or occur.
 

Tercon

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why would any soul want to reduce God this way?

God cannot be captured by human logic.

God's existence can be traced back or deduced from and to a believing mind. And logic didn't originate from humanity. Rather logic is a feature and can be deduced from the existence of the truth and reality.
 

e v e

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God's existence can be traced back or deduced from and to a believing mind. And logic didn't originate from humanity. Rather logic is a feature and can be deduced from the existence of the truth and reality.
God is not dependent on your mind, logic, etc.

He is outside of all you have described.
 

Nouveau

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No. God exists in His believing mind. But when a believer believes as He believes they get to know and experience His reality and believing mind too.
You really need to be more clear here.

Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]
Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]

Wow, you really are bad at this whole truth and reality thing aren't you. Can't even remember you actually admitting to the ONLY way and place the truth and reality can be known to exist and occur. But you can't tell me of another way or place that the truth and reality can be known to exist and occur can you? You have failed monkey man, because you have no other way or place outside of a believing mind that the truth and reality can be known to exist and occur do you.

Everything that exists and occurs is ONLY known to exist and occur in and because of God's believing mind, as outside of His believing mind nothing can be known to exist or occur.
You still haven't answered. Try again. It really isn't that hard.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? [Yes or No]
 

Tercon

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You really need to be more clear here.

Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]
Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]

You really need to stop being such a phony and deal with what's being said to you instead of running away.

God exists in His believing mind, the same way and place everyone experiences their own existence. But when a believer believes as He believes they get to know and experience His reality and believing mind too.

You still haven't answered. Try again. It really isn't that hard.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? [Yes or No]

More bluffing. Deal with what's being said to you instead of running away.

You mean I am not following your illegitimate narrative of materialism.

As a believer I get to know God's Mind, and experience, share and participate in His truth and reality. That's how a believing mind and the truth work together in order to make His reality known.

Everything that exists and occurs is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind, because nothing can be known to exist or occur without or outside of a believing mind. You can wallow around in your unbelief and skepticism all you want, but until you believe the truth and reality IT is out of your grasp.
 

Nouveau

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You really need to stop being such a phony and deal with what's being said to you instead of running away.

God exists in His believing mind, the same way and place everyone experiences their own existence. But when a believer believes as He believes they get to know and experience His reality and believing mind too.

More bluffing. Deal with what's being said to you instead of running away.

You mean I am not following your illegitimate narrative of materialism.

As a believer I get to know God's Mind, and experience, share and participate in His truth and reality. That's how a believing mind and the truth work together in order to make His reality known.

Everything that exists and occurs is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind, because nothing can be known to exist or occur without or outside of a believing mind. You can wallow around in your unbelief and skepticism all you want, but until you believe the truth and reality IT is out of your grasp.
These are simple questions, Tercon. Try to be honest for once and actually answer them.

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]
2. Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? [Yes or No]
 

Tercon

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These are simple questions, Tercon. Try to be honest for once and actually answer them.

Try dealing with the truth instead running and hiding from it with your unbelief.

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]

The only place anything can be known to exist and occur is in one's mind.

2. Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]

God exists in the same place everyone else is known to exist; in His own mind.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? [Yes or No]

Everyone has their own mind where they experience their own existence. And we can still know and experience other minds by just sharing the same beliefs. It is a way in which different minds can share and participate in the same truth and reality.
 

Nouveau

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Try dealing with the truth instead running and hiding from it with your unbelief.

The only place anything can be known to exist and occur is in one's mind.

God exists in the same place everyone else is known to exist; in His own mind.

Everyone has their own mind where they experience their own existence. And we can still know and experience other minds by just sharing the same beliefs. It is a way in which different minds can share and participate in the same truth and reality.
It seems you're still not honest enough to answer simple Y/N questions without evasion. Try again:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]
2. Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]
3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? [Yes or No]
 

Tercon

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God exists in His mind?

Lol
So according to Terconology, God is a figment of his own imagination.
I could not make up stuff this silly...

Terry Pratchett, though...

God is known to exist in the same way and place everything else is known to exist; God is known to exist in and by a believing mind.

Be interesting to hear how you think you are known to exist outside of your believing mind silly.
 

Tercon

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It seems you're still not honest enough to answer simple Y/N questions without evasion. Try again:

You'd have to know how and why the truth and reality is known to you in order to be honest, and you don't, so you are incapable of being honest.

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No]

God is known to exist in and by the same way and place everything else is known to exist; in and with a believing mind.
SORRY ONLY BELIEVERS ALLOWED.

2. Does God exist outside of your mind? [Yes or No]

God is known to exist in and with His own believing mind. And because the truth and reality can only be known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind, then the truth and reality must be exist in God's believing mind. He doesn't need your unbelieving mind in order to be known to exist. But He and we both need our believing minds in order to know His truth and reality exists and can only occur in and with a believing mind.

3. Is your mind contained within God's mind? [Yes or No]

Strawman. Minds don't have to exist inside one another in order to share the same truth and reality. Rather all minds have to do is share the same truth and reality is to share the same beliefs. And then they get to know and experience the same truth and reality. You don't seem to know nor understand how and why minds, belief, the truth and reality work together to form consciousness.
 
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