Reducing God to the truth and reality.

Nouveau

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Here you are attributing that argument to me and suggesting that my argument is like "2+2 equals 5" (a falsity) without actually dealing with my argument silly.
I didn't attribute anything to you. Note the word "IF" in what I said. I used a hypothetical to explain to you the difference between strawmanning and disagreement, because you keep confusing the two.

Everything everyone knows and experiences is in and with their believing mind. And you are pretending there is some other way or place outside of a believing mind that things can be known to you silly.
Is that a 'Yes' or a 'No'? Please just answer what was asked:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

If I said that, then I must have misspoke. The diagram shows how I am in His mind and He in mine. If I am inside His mind and His mind is reality, then His reality and Mind is in my mind as well.
Then you misspoke consistently for several pages from the beginning of this thread. I refer you back to our first exchanges from page 1:

N: How can one mind exist literally inside another mind?
T: Strawman. They don't have to "exist literally inside another mind".
N: So your mind doesn't exist inside God's mind? And God's mind doesn't exist inside yours? How then can either of you know the other to exist?

Now you're back to saying that minds exist inside each other, as per your diagram. But every single time I said that, you accused me of strawmanning.

Everything everyone knows and experiences is in and with their believing mind. And you are pretending there is some other way or place outside of a believing mind that things can be known to you silly.

If the truth and reality is ONLY able to be known to occur in and with a believing mind, then all truth and reality depends on someone's believing mind for its existence and occurrence.

The truth and reality is the result of God's believing mind, His mind is the Original believing mind that creates and sustains all other believing minds. And outside of a believing mind nothing is knowable or occurable.

If the truth and reality is only known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind, then it is only believing minds that can be known to contain the truth and reality.

When different minds share the same beliefs, then they get to share the same truth and reality as well.
I specifically asked you not to split up my summary of your answers and respond to them individually, and yet you've gone ahead and done exactly that. Yet your whole effort was wasted because at no point have you actually changed or revised any of your answers. So we still have the following (I've updated (5) as you indicated earlier in your post that your first answer was mistaken and your diagram was correct):

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No? Still no straight answer.]
2. Does God exist outside of your mind? Tercon: "Yes"
3. Is reality contained within God's mind? Tercon: "Yes"
4. Is your mind contained within reality? Tercon: "Yes"
5. Is your mind contained within God's mind? "Yes"

All of this leads us back to my very first question to you in this thread: "How can one mind exist literally inside another mind?"
 

Tercon

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I didn't attribute anything to you. Note the word "IF" in what I said. I used a hypothetical to explain to you the difference between strawmanning and disagreement, because you keep confusing the two.

Sure you did. This is what you said:

Nouveau said:
Correcting you is not strawmanning. If you say 2+2 equals 5, and I say that no, it equals 4, I have not engaged in strawmanning. To strawman is to attribute to you a position you don't hold, and I did not do that.

Strawman and projection. I didn't argue "2+2 equals 5" period. And you have never corrected me like that. Rather you build strawmen like you are doing right here and correct those strawmen instead. That's strawmanning and projecting that misrepresentation of my argument. You have never argued like that, because you never say how and why my argument is false or illogical.

And suggesting you corrected me like that is a strawman and just you projecting your silly ignorance. You don't even know how and why the truth and reality is known to people.

Is that a 'Yes' or a 'No'? Please just answer what was asked:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

Everything everyone knows to exist and occur is done inside and with their believing mind silly. And you pretending it doesn't demonstrates the utter foolishness your atheist mind.

Then you misspoke consistently for several pages from the beginning of this thread. I refer you back to our first exchanges from page 1:

N: How can one mind exist literally inside another mind?
T: Strawman. They don't have to "exist literally inside another mind".
N: So your mind doesn't exist inside God's mind? And God's mind doesn't exist inside yours? How then can either of you know the other to exist?

Now you're back to saying that minds exist inside each other, as per your diagram. But every single time I said that, you accused me of strawmanning.

Strawman. Minds don't have to occur physically inside one another to know and experience one another silly. We can know and experience other minds by just believing the same truth and reality they do. You really don't know how believing minds work with the truth and reality do you, do you know why you don't know that? It is because you have a unbelieving mind instead of a believing mind. You are ignorant of how and why the truth and reality is known.
 
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Nouveau

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Sure you did. This is what you said:

Strawman and projection. I didn't argue "2+2 equals 5" period. And you have never corrected me like that. Rather you build strawmen like you are doing right here and correct those strawmen instead. That's strawmanning and projecting that misrepresentation of my argument. You have never argued like that, because you never say how and why my argument is false or illogical.

And suggesting you corrected me like that is a strawman and just you projecting your silly ignorance. You don't even know how and why the truth and reality is known to people.
Please learn the difference between strawmanning and correction. At no point have I misrepresented you. All I did was explain to you the difference between misrepresenting you and disagreeing with you. By failing to understand this, you have in fact been strawmanning me.

Everything everyone knows to exist and occur is done inside and with their believing mind silly. And you pretending it doesn't demonstrates the utter foolishness your atheist mind.
Is that a 'Yes' or a 'No'? Please just answer what was asked:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

Strawman. Minds don't have to occur physically inside one another to know and experience one another silly. We can know and experience other minds by just believing the same truth and reality they do. You really don't know how believing minds work with the truth and reality do you, do you know why you don't know that? It is because you have a unbelieving mind instead of a believing mind. You are ignorant of how and why the truth and reality is known.
Please make up your mind. You explicitly said that minds DO exist inside each other. And now you're flip-flopping back again by accusing me of strawmanning when reporting back to you your very own words:

N: "Your first said that your mind is not located in God's mind..."
T: "If I said that, then I must have misspoke. The diagram shows how I am in His mind and He in mine."

So perhaps you could take this argument up with Tercon, and then get back to me when the two of you reach agreement.
 

Tercon

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Please learn the difference between strawmanning and correction. At no point have I misrepresented you. All I did was explain to you the difference between misrepresenting you and disagreeing with you. By failing to understand this, you have in fact been strawmanning me.

Sure you have and you are doing it again below.

Is that a 'Yes' or a 'No'? Please just answer what was asked:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

You are misrepresenting what I believe and how a properly functioning minds works.

Everything a person knows and experiences they are made conscious of in and with their believing minds, and outside of a their believing mind there is nothing knowable or experienceable. You are pretending minds can work properly without believing in order to make the truth and reality known. But they can't, because belief and a believing mind is necessary in order to make the truth and reality known.

Please make up your mind. You explicitly said that minds DO exist inside each other. And now you're flip-flopping back again by accusing me of strawmanning when reporting back to you your very own words:

N: "Your first said that your mind is not located in God's mind..."
T: "If I said that, then I must have misspoke. The diagram shows how I am in His mind and He in mine."

So perhaps you could take this argument up with Tercon, and then get back to me when the two of you reach agreement.

Properly functioning minds don't work the way you are suggesting they work.

A person's mind is made up psychological content, and that content is its beliefs and thoughts. So, a person's beliefs and thoughts is their mind.
And believing minds can share the same truth and reality by just sharing the same beliefs. And by minds sharing the same beliefs they share their content. Minds are conceptual in nature, and their content; thoughts and beliefs are abstracts. Thoughts and beliefs are not physical in nature, but purely psychological. People who share the same beliefs share their lives with those people who believe the same thing they do. So to that extent minds sharing the same content (thoughts and beliefs), know and experience the same truth and reality.

Your problem is that you are a atheist; thus a unbelieving mind, because you disbelieve belief is capable of making the truth and reality known to you. And this unbelief is sufficient to keep you ignorant of how a believing mind works properly.
 

Nouveau

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Sure you have and you are doing it again below.
Completely unsupported.

You are misrepresenting what I believe and how a properly functioning minds works.

Everything a person knows and experiences they are made conscious of in and with their believing minds, and outside of a their believing mind there is nothing knowable or experienceable. You are pretending minds can work properly without believing in order to make the truth and reality known. But they can't, because belief and a believing mind is necessary in order to make the truth and reality known.
Please stop evading and just answer the question.

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

Properly functioning minds don't work the way you are suggesting they work.

A person's mind is made up psychological content, and that content is its beliefs and thoughts. So, a person's beliefs and thoughts is their mind.
And believing minds can share the same truth and reality by just sharing the same beliefs. And by minds sharing the same beliefs they share their content. Minds are conceptual in nature, and their content; thoughts and beliefs are abstracts. Thoughts and beliefs are not physical in nature, but purely psychological. People who share the same beliefs share their lives with those people who believe the same thing they do. So to that extent minds sharing the same content (thoughts and beliefs), know and experience the same truth and reality.

Your problem is that you are a atheist; thus a unbelieving mind, because you disbelieve belief is capable of making the truth and reality known to you. And this unbelief is sufficient to keep you ignorant of how a believing mind works properly.
I'm not asking about content, so none of this addresses the point. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other? You've claimed both that they do and that they do not.
 

Tercon

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Completely unsupported.

Please stop evading and just answer the question.

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

Strawman. I am not avoiding anything. But you are evading the truth that everything is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with a believing mind; including everything's existence and occurrence silly.

I'm not asking about content, so none of this addresses the point. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other? You've claimed both that they do and that they do not.

Belief's existence is made for a believing mind. And unbelief's "existence" is made for the deluded mind.
 
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Nouveau

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Strawman. I am not avoiding anything.
False. You just avoided both of my questions in what you were replying to. Here they are again:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]
2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?
 

Tercon

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False. You just avoided both of my questions in what you were replying to. Here they are again:

Evasion and deflection.

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

Everyone depends on a believing mind in order to make all truth and reality known to them silly.

2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?

Strawman. Believing minds share the same truth and reality by sharing and believing the same thing.

Don't you know how a believing mind works yet silly?
 

Nouveau

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Evasion and deflection.
Yes, that is what you are doing.

Everyone depends on a believing mind in order to make all truth and reality known to them silly.
Not what I asked. Try answering the question: 1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

Strawman. Believing minds share the same truth and reality by sharing and believing the same thing.
It was a question, not a strawman. And you still haven't answered: 2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?

Don't you know how a believing mind works yet silly?
No-one knows how your silly mind works, Tercon. That remains a mystery.
 

Tercon

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Not what I asked. Try answering the question: 1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]

In reality everything we know is ONLY known to exist and occur in and with our believing minds silly.
It was a question, not a strawman. And you still haven't answered: 2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?

Strawman. Believing minds share the same truth and reality by sharing and believing the same thing. This poor man doesn't even know how believing minds work.

No-one knows how your silly mind works, Tercon. That remains a mystery.

No "mystery" silly, my mind works by believing the truth and reality is made known to me.

ONLY a fool would say that the truth and reality can exist or occur without a Believing Mind.

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is none who does good. (Psalm 14;1)
 

Nouveau

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my mind works
Completely unsupported, and you still haven't answered either of my two questions:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]
2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?
 

Tercon

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Completely unsupported, and you still haven't answered either of my two questions:

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]
2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?
Strawman and projection of your silly unbelieving mind.

Nothing can be known to exist or occur outside or without believing mind. That's why God has a Believing Mind, He is the Original Believing Mind that makes all other believing minds conscious of the truth and reality.
 

Nouveau

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Strawman and projection of your silly unbelieving mind.

Nothing can be known to exist or occur outside or without believing mind. That's why God has a Believing Mind, He is the Original Believing Mind that makes all other believing minds conscious of the truth and reality.
Evasion. Why can't you deal with what you are being asked?

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]
2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?
 

Tercon

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You still don't know what the word 'strawman' means. Questions cannot be strawman.

You're being dishonest, because a strawman is when you mispresent someone's argument or what they believe and then proceed to argue against your misrepresentation rather than their true belief and argument. You do this because you can't defeat their belief and argument, so you hide yourself from the truth and reality with your own self-deception.

Why don't you just answer them?
1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]
2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?

I have.

Here it is again. Now deal with it and stop being a phony.

Everything everyone knows to exist and occur can ONLY be known to exist and occur in and with their believing minds silly.
 
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Nouveau

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You're being dishonest, because a strawman is when you mispresent someone's argument or what they believe and then proceed to argue against your misrepresentation rather than their true belief and argument. You do this because you can't defeat their belief and argument, so you hide yourself from the truth and reality with your own self-deception.

I have.

Here it is again. Now deal with it and stop being a phony.

Everything everyone knows to exist and occur can ONLY be known to exist and occur in and with their believing minds silly.
Evasion. Why can't you deal with what you are being asked?

1. Does God exist inside of your mind? [Yes or No?]
2. Can you please make up your mind and decide whether or not minds exist inside each other?
 

Electric Skeptic

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You're being dishonest, because a strawman is when you mispresent someone's argument or what they believe and then proceed to argue against your misrepresentation rather than their true belief and argument. You do this because you can't defeat their belief and argument, so you hide yourself from the truth and reality with your own self-deception.
Yes, yes, youve shown you can quote the definition - you also repeatedly show that you don't understand it, because you continue to use it wrongly.
 

Tercon

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Yes, yes, youve shown you can quote the definition - you also repeatedly show that you don't understand it, because you continue to use it wrongly.

More dishonesty. I just showed that I "understand it". Your problem is that you have been so deceived by your unbelief that the truth and reality is unknowable to you.
 
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