Reformist basics.

Terry43

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Been busy.. but feeling the need to clarify my position... God knows who is His elect.. He will ordain that they WILL hear the gospel and they will respond with the grace and faith He has given them.. those that are not His may or may not have the gospel presented to them .. but they will never respond to it
 

Woody50

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Where do you think sin came from?
Ah...you cannot answer?

Answering a question with a question can be appropriate. You could...
  1. ...be confused and need clarity
  2. …want to understand something you don't (can also go with the first point)
  3. …have not heard properly
  4. ...be avoiding the question yourself
I peg you as a #4 kind of guy.
 

Terry43

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Sin was found in Lucifer while he was in Heaven, the Sin of Pride. Satan was cast out of Heaven like thunderous Lightning; and the Divine Word of God saw this. Lucifer's Nature was Fallen and he became the god of Lies. Sin entered the World in part due to Eve being deceived, but Adam is the first Sinner because when he ate the Forbidden Fruit they found themselves Naked and Afraid. They died at that moment; dying they shall die. Sin comes to us as a Consequence of breaking God's Covenant of Works. To Die Spiritually is a change of the Trichotomous Human Nature of Adam, which is a Live Body, Soul and Spirit; to the Trichotomous Human Nature of a Live Body and Soul with a dead spirit which needs to be Regenerated/Circumcized...
Sin still had to have an origin ... Can anygthing exist that God did not create?
 

ReverendRV

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Total depravity (inability) was always part of Gods plan .... Thats why He put the tree in the center of the garden with a warning not to eat it...
God is Providential, so God is behind all which comes to pass...
Sin still had to have an origin ... Can anygthing exist that God did not create?
The Bible says that Desire gives Birth to Sin, God Desired that Sin Exist; so is God a Sinner? Not at all. Gad told Moses that he could Kill Israel and start a new People through him; but Moses said no way. Why? Because God would break his Promise Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; God did not really desire that. In Jeremiah, God said it never entered his Mind to 'Cause' Judah to Sin. Since God IS Omniscient, it did enter his Mind that Judah would Sin; but it never entered his Mind to 'Cause' Judah to Offer their Children to Molech...

Yes it does. but the Bible does not ..It says God is not the "author of CONFUSION "..
I'm not used to Calvinists not agreeing with the WCF or the 2nd LBCF...
 
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Terry43

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God is Providential, so God is behind all which comes to pass...

The Bible says that Desire gives Birth to Sin, God Desired that Sin Exist; so is God a Sinner? Not at all. Gad told Moses that he could Kill Israel and start a new People through him; but Moses said no way. Why? Because God would break his Promise Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; God did not really desire that. In Jeremiah, God said it never entered his Mind to 'Cause' Judah to Sin. Since God IS Omniscient, it did enter his Mind that Judah would Sin; but it never entered his Mind to 'Cause' Judah to Offer their Children to Molech...


I'm not used to Calvinists not agreeing with the WCF or the 2nd LBCF...
Can ANYTHING happen outside the will and plan of God?
 

ReverendRV

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Can ANYTHING happen outside the will and plan of God?
Absolutely nothing can happen outside the Will and plan of God; not even Jesus Christ could do such a thing. Jesus and the Logos of God are One in a Hypostatic Union; Unmixed and Inseparable. He cried out for God to take away the Cup of Wrath, but not his Will be done, and God's Will be done instead; that's his Human Will not wanting the Divine Will. This is as close as Jesus ever came to Sinning against the Will of God, but the unmixed, Independent Will of Jesus of Nazareth sided with the Will of God before it was too late. The Logos of God suppressed the expression of his Divine privilege in order for Jesus to live on the level of an Unfallen Adam, full of the Holy Ghost More than anyone else ever was; and preformed his Miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. As a Human, Jesus Willed to go to the Cross and it was his own decision. His Human Will wasn't over-powered by his Divine Will, or else his Nature couldn't be a true Hypostatic Union. When it comes to God's Providence it is perfect, and it is no more controlling in our lives as it was in Christ's life. Providence is Inseparable and Unmixed regarding us too. This Hypostatic Union of the Wills of Man and God explains why God isn't Culpable as the Author of Sin; his Will is not Mixed with our Will even when both Wills are always the same. If so, that would be like Demonic Possession, and that spirit is Culpable...
 
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