brightfame52
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Man by nature doesnt seek God. The Gospel is hidden to the Lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 Gods purpose in the Gospel for the Lost is death unto death.
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TomFL
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Again you just ignore rebuttal and repeat yourself
You ignored the point which is not seeking God but responding to a God who seeks them
2 Corinthians 5:20 (ESV)
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
The issue is responding not seeking
John believes men could respond
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The gospel is hidden from those who reject Christ when they turn to him the vail is taken away
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 (KJV)
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
brightfame52
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There is no rebuttal, man doesnt seek God Rom 3:11 and the Gospel is hidden to the Lost. God doesnt seek lost folk with the Gospel, He increases their condemnation with it.
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TomFL
Guest
Still ignoring the fact responding to God and not seeking God is the issue
You ignored the point which is not seeking God but responding to a God who seeks them
2 Corinthians 5:20 (ESV)
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
The issue is responding not seeking
John believes men could respond
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The gospel is hidden from those who reject Christ when they turn to him the vail is taken away
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 (KJV)
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
brightfame52
Well-known member
Again, no rebuttal, you just spamming Gods Word. Man doesnt seek God, and the Gospel is hidden from the lost man, which is the same man that doesnt seek God. Dont get me wrong, man will seek a god, the god of his imagination, but not the True God.
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TomFL
Guest
You are in denial and attempting to change the topic
Still ignoring the fact responding to God and not seeking God is the issue
You ignored the point which is not seeking God but responding to a God who seeks them
2 Corinthians 5:20 (ESV)
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
The issue is responding not seeking
John believes men could respond
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The gospel is hidden from those who reject Christ when they turn to him the vail is taken away
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 (KJV)
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
brightfame52
Well-known member
Man naturally doesnt seek after God, and the Gospel is hid to the lost person 2 Cor 4:3
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TomFL
Guest
Why is it you never deal with rebuttal ?
You are in denial and attempting to change the topic
Still ignoring the fact responding to God and not seeking God is the issue
You ignored the point which is not seeking God but responding to a God who seeks them
2 Corinthians 5:20 (ESV)
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
The issue is responding not seeking
John believes men could respond
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
The gospel is hidden from those who reject Christ when they turn to him the vail is taken away
2 Corinthians 3:13-16 (KJV)
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
The Spirit enlightens the mind to the word.
The word can convict but not sufficiently for salvation if without the Spirit.
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TomFL
Guest
So in other words the word of the spirit as seen in scripture is insufficient unless the spirit himself personally speaks it ?
If you read a book is the authors intent not understandable unless the author personally speaks to you
brightfame52
Well-known member
I dont waste time with your spamming up scripture. Nothing changes the fact that men naturally under sin doesnt seek after God, and the fact that the Gospel is hidden to the Lost .
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TomFL
Guest
That does not address what was stated
TomFL said:
So in other words the word of the spirit as seen in scripture is insufficient unless the spirit himself personally speaks it ?
BTW I affirm both grace and free will
So you are missing the mark
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TomFL
Guest
You certainly
Did not address what was stated
and your comments in support of free will and grace is fully consistent with my position
I have consistently affirmed scripture as a work of the Spirit
Can you deny scripture is his word he has inspired
I asked once before can you not understand an authors words without him personally having to speak them to you
In any case I have provided multiple verses supporting the idea man can understand anbd believe the word
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It might be a good idea for you to address them
You have no scripture that i ignore
If you think otherwise provide such
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TomFL
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You are not saying unbelievers have the fruit of the Spirit right ?
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brightfame52
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Irrelevant friend.
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Our Lord's God
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I'm afraid not.
brightfame52
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Oh but it is !
Our Lord's God
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I have noticed that your reality is whatever you want it to be. It's like a neon sign over your head.
brightfame52
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Likewise !
Our Lord's God
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Just like that!