Regeneration through faith

brightfame52

Well-known member
As expected you address nothing

Did you forget regeneration is new life

John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

Ezekiel 18:30-32

“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repent, Turn away…Rid yourselves…” “…get a new heart and a new spirit.” Verse 32 makes it even more simple:

“Repent and…” “…live!” Life comes from repentance, not the other way around.



Acts 11:18

When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repentance unto…” “…life” The Gentiles were not granted life unto repentance, but just the opposite according to the text. And the gospel is the means God grants mankind the ability to believe. He sent the gospel first to the Jews and then the Gentiles which enabled their faith response (Rom. 1:16, 10:14-17).



John 5:40

“yet you refuse to COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Come to me…” (through faith) “…to have life.”



John 6:53

“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Unless you eat…drink” (by faith) “…you have not life in you.”



John 6:57

“so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“the one who feeds on me…” (by faith) “…will live”



John 20:31

“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“these are written…” (scriptures) “…that you may believe…” “…by believing you may have life…” Life clearly is a fruit of faith and repentance, not the other way around.



Acts 15:9

“He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“He purified their hearts…” “…by faith.” It does not say He purified their hearts by regeneration so as to make them have faith. Clearly a purified heart is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.



John 1:12-13

“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

The right to be born of God is given only to those who believe.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…all who did receive him…who believed…” “…he gave the right to BECOME children of God…” You are not even given to right to become a child of God, much less be born again as his child, UNTIL you “receive him” and “believe in his name.” And while placing our trust in Christ is man’s responsibility,

the work of regeneration is all of God’s doing. It does not come by way of inheritance, marriage, works or striving (Rom. 9:30-32).



Galatians 3:26

“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“You are all sons of God…” “…through faith in Christ…” Obviously, becoming a son (born of God) is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.



John 12:36

“Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Believe in the light…” “…so that you may become children…”



Ephesians 1:13

“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“when you heard the message of truth…when you believed “you were included in Christ…you were marked in him…”



Galatians 3:2, 5

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?… So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…received the Spirit…” “…by believing what you heard…”



2 Corinthians 3:14-16

“But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…anyone turns to the Lord…” (by faith) “…the veil is taken away.”



1 Timothy 1:16

“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…those who would believe in him…” “…may receive eternal life.”



Colossians 2:12

“…having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…baptism, in which you were also raised…” “…through your faith…”



James 1:18

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…give us brith…” “…through the word of truth…”

Calvinists teach the word of truth will certainly be rejected by the unregenerate, thus how can the apostle say that the word may be the means of new birth? Birth must precede the word if Calvinism is true, and that is not what the text clearly indicates.
Dont address your rabbit trails, you should know that by now. Show me a verse that states regeneration is through faith, I will deal with that. However, its not true since Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Dont address your rabbit trails, you should know that by now. Show me a verse that states regeneration is through faith, I will deal with that. However, its not true since Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
Never expected you would deal with the evidence

Did you forget regeneration is new life

John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

Ezekiel 18:30-32

“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repent, Turn away…Rid yourselves…” “…get a new heart and a new spirit.” Verse 32 makes it even more simple:

“Repent and…” “…live!” Life comes from repentance, not the other way around.



Acts 11:18

When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repentance unto…” “…life” The Gentiles were not granted life unto repentance, but just the opposite according to the text. And the gospel is the means God grants mankind the ability to believe. He sent the gospel first to the Jews and then the Gentiles which enabled their faith response (Rom. 1:16, 10:14-17).



John 5:40

“yet you refuse to COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Come to me…” (through faith) “…to have life.”



John 6:53

“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Unless you eat…drink” (by faith) “…you have not life in you.”



John 6:57

“so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“the one who feeds on me…” (by faith) “…will live”



John 20:31

“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“these are written…” (scriptures) “…that you may believe…” “…by believing you may have life…” Life clearly is a fruit of faith and repentance, not the other way around.



Acts 15:9

“He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“He purified their hearts…” “…by faith.” It does not say He purified their hearts by regeneration so as to make them have faith. Clearly a purified heart is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.



John 1:12-13

“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

The right to be born of God is given only to those who believe.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…all who did receive him…who believed…” “…he gave the right to BECOME children of God…” You are not even given to right to become a child of God, much less be born again as his child, UNTIL you “receive him” and “believe in his name.” And while placing our trust in Christ is man’s responsibility,

the work of regeneration is all of God’s doing. It does not come by way of inheritance, marriage, works or striving (Rom. 9:30-32).



Galatians 3:26

“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“You are all sons of God…” “…through faith in Christ…” Obviously, becoming a son (born of God) is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.



John 12:36

“Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Believe in the light…” “…so that you may become children…”



Ephesians 1:13

“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“when you heard the message of truth…when you believed “you were included in Christ…you were marked in him…”



Galatians 3:2, 5

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?… So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…received the Spirit…” “…by believing what you heard…”



2 Corinthians 3:14-16

“But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…anyone turns to the Lord…” (by faith) “…the veil is taken away.”



1 Timothy 1:16

“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…those who would believe in him…” “…may receive eternal life.”



Colossians 2:12

“…having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…baptism, in which you were also raised…” “…through your faith…”



James 1:18

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…give us brith…” “…through the word of truth…”

Calvinists teach the word of truth will certainly be rejected by the unregenerate, thus how can the apostle say that the word may be the means of new birth? Birth must precede the word if Calvinism is true, and that is not what the text clearly indicates.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
So where is the scripture that says regeneration through faith ? It does not exist !
Right where you ignore it

John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

Ezekiel 18:30-32

“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repent, Turn away…Rid yourselves…” “…get a new heart and a new spirit.” Verse 32 makes it even more simple:

“Repent and…” “…live!” Life comes from repentance, not the other way around.



Acts 11:18

When they heard this, they had no further objections and praised God, saying, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Repentance unto…” “…life” The Gentiles were not granted life unto repentance, but just the opposite according to the text. And the gospel is the means God grants mankind the ability to believe. He sent the gospel first to the Jews and then the Gentiles which enabled their faith response (Rom. 1:16, 10:14-17).



John 5:40

“yet you refuse to COME TO ME TO HAVE LIFE.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Come to me…” (through faith) “…to have life.”



John 6:53

“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Unless you eat…drink” (by faith) “…you have not life in you.”



John 6:57

“so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“the one who feeds on me…” (by faith) “…will live”



John 20:31

“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“these are written…” (scriptures) “…that you may believe…” “…by believing you may have life…” Life clearly is a fruit of faith and repentance, not the other way around.



Acts 15:9

“He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“He purified their hearts…” “…by faith.” It does not say He purified their hearts by regeneration so as to make them have faith. Clearly a purified heart is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.



John 1:12-13

“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

The right to be born of God is given only to those who believe.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…all who did receive him…who believed…” “…he gave the right to BECOME children of God…” You are not even given to right to become a child of God, much less be born again as his child, UNTIL you “receive him” and “believe in his name.” And while placing our trust in Christ is man’s responsibility,

the work of regeneration is all of God’s doing. It does not come by way of inheritance, marriage, works or striving (Rom. 9:30-32).



Galatians 3:26

“You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“You are all sons of God…” “…through faith in Christ…” Obviously, becoming a son (born of God) is a fruit of faith, not the other way around.



John 12:36

“Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“Believe in the light…” “…so that you may become children…”



Ephesians 1:13

“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit…”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“when you heard the message of truth…when you believed “you were included in Christ…you were marked in him…”



Galatians 3:2, 5

“I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?… So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…received the Spirit…” “…by believing what you heard…”



2 Corinthians 3:14-16

“But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away.Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…anyone turns to the Lord…” (by faith) “…the veil is taken away.”



1 Timothy 1:16

“But for that very reason I was shown mercy so that in me, the worst of sinners, Christ Jesus might display his immense patience as an example for those who would believe in him and receive eternal life.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…those who would believe in him…” “…may receive eternal life.”



Colossians 2:12

“…having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…baptism, in which you were also raised…” “…through your faith…”



James 1:18

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.”

The order clearly laid out is as follows:

“…give us brith…” “…through the word of truth…”

Calvinists teach the word of truth will certainly be rejected by the unregenerate, thus how can the apostle say that the word may be the means of new birth? Birth must precede the word if Calvinism is true, and that is not what the text clearly indicates.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Lol You wasting space. Show one scripture that says regeneration is through Faith. New Birth is through the Renewing of the Spirit, and faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Right and you failed to engage with the actual scriptural proofs
You started the thread and have failed to prove your point with scripture. What scripture says regeneration through faith? None because faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You started the thread and have failed to prove your point with scripture. What scripture says regeneration through faith? None because faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
Sorry you just mindlessly repeat the same thing

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word

Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry you just mindlessly repeat the same thing

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word

Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
Next time you start a thread at least be able to show where the scriptures agree with the point you are attempting to make. There's no such thing as regeneration through faith. Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Next time you start a thread at least be able to show where the scriptures agree with the point you are attempting to make. There's no such thing as regeneration through faith. Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
Already did

You have just shut your eyes ands are unable to see it or deal with it

Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Already did

You have just shut your eyes ands are unable to see it or deal with it

Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
You already did in your imagination
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You already did in your imagination
Then why are you unable to rebut what I stated

Already did

You have just shut your eyes ands are unable to see it or deal with it

Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Then why are you unable to rebut what I stated

Already did

You have just shut your eyes ands are unable to see it or deal with it

Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
It's nothing to refute. You have not provided proof of what you say.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
It's nothing to refute. You have not provided proof of what you say.
That was already done why could you not rebut the summary statement

as you were challenged to do

...........................................



Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
That was already done why could you not rebut the summary statement

as you were challenged to do

...........................................



Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
You are still imagining things. Regeneration through faith is never in scripture, for faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You are still imagining things. Regeneration through faith is never in scripture, for faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22
You ignore the evidence and issue bald denials

That was already done why could you not rebut the summary statement

as you were challenged to do

...........................................



Dispute any of these facts if you can

The fact is regeneration is new life

provides a new (purified)heart

is through the instrumentality of the word


Now

New life comes from faith

One get a new (purified) heart through faith

and only belief in the word benefits

It is therefore logically inescapable that regeneration is through faith in the word

You can close you eyes and say you don't see it but it is plainly there for those who wish to see
 
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