Regeneration

brightfame52

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Not without faith

1 Pet. 1:18–23 —KJV
“Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.”
The Elect in Christ are regenerated through the resurrection of Jesus Christ 1 Pet 1 3
 

TomFL

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The Elect in Christ are regenerated through the resurrection of Jesus Christ 1 Pet 1 3
Wrong

Christ atonement made it possible

access to the blessings are obtained only in union with Christ through faith

Outside of Christ there are no blessings

you are in grave error
 

brightfame52

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Wrong

Christ atonement made it possible

access to the blessings are obtained only in union with Christ through faith

Outside of Christ there are no blessings

you are in grave error
No it's correct. It's by Christ resurrection and the abundance of Mercy that the Elect are born again or regenerated 1 Pet 1 3
 

TomFL

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No it's correct. It's by Christ resurrection and the abundance of Mercy that the Elect are born again or regenerated 1 Pet 1 3
Sorry but you have no idea on how to interpret scripture

you pick one reject one style will never find truth

Context refutes your claims

1 Peter 1:3–5 (KJV 1900)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Christ makes all blessing possible

Faith accesses the blessing that are in Christ

Your methodology is a very basic elementary error
 

TomFL

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Yes, that is Gospel truth!
Not without faith in the gospel

James 1:18; 1 Pet. 1:23; 1 Cor. 4:15 —ESV
“Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.”

Every blessing in Christ is through a union with him based upon faith
 

brightfame52

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Sorry but you have no idea on how to interpret scripture

you pick one reject one style will never find truth

Context refutes your claims

1 Peter 1:3–5 (KJV 1900)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Christ makes all blessing possible

Faith accesses the blessing that are in Christ

Your methodology is a very basic elementary error
According to 1 Pet 1 3 how were they regenerated.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy hath regenerated us unto a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead DRA
 

preacher4truth

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Not without faith in the gospel
No one is denying this fact. Faith is God's gift, it isn't innate nor inherent.

What is really going on here is a truncation and an aversion of truly giving God all the glory and thereby relegating it to man for "exercising faith" or "choosing himself into heaven." Both of those positions fall short of the truth and are added to the Gospel by man.

We believe only by the same power that raised Christ; Ephesians 1:19. It is the work of God that we believe, not the work of man; John 6:29. Notice that belief is proven as a work in this text, but that is God's work, not ours. Ephesians 2:8-10 as well should be noted.
 

TomFL

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According to 1 Pet 1 3 how were they regenerated.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy hath regenerated us unto a lively hope, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead DRA
Who is the us

But believers

You simply ignore context

1 Peter 1:3–5 (KJV 1900)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith
unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:7–10 (KJV 1900)
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. 10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

1 Peter 1:17–25 (KJV 1900)
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
 

TomFL

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No one is denying this fact. Faith is God's gift, it isn't innate nor inherent.

What is really going on here is a truncation and an aversion of truly giving God all the glory and thereby relegating it to man for "exercising faith" or "choosing himself into heaven." Both of those positions fall short of the truth and are added to the Gospel by man.

We believe only by the same power that raised Christ; Ephesians 1:19. It is the work of God that we believe, not the work of man; John 6:29. Notice that belief is proven as a work in this text, but that is God's work, not ours. Ephesians 2:8-10 as well should be noted.
Prove God inserts faith in a man apart from the mans will

As for Eph 1:19

Ephesians 1:19 (KJV 1900)
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

The reference is to the exceeding greatness of his power to us - that is to those who believe

It does not state God inserts faith

In any case the whole idea is contrary to verses such

Hebrews 12:25 (KJV 1900)
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV 1900)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Romans 5:2 (KJV 1900)
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

What really going on here is fidelity to the word of God and removing that which dishonors God by making him the sole cause of all that are damned
 

Reformedguy

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Did you not read the op

The op claimed regeneration is new life

John 20:31 speaks of new life

It is predicated on faith

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

it is not out of context

Sorry no

Unbelievers do not have the fruit of the spirit and they do not have the spirit

Sorry you are confusing that which is for believers

Unbelievers do not have the fruit of the spirit

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do you never correct your doctrinal misunderstandings

Gal. 5:22–25 —KJV
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.”
Regeneration is new life? This has yet to be proven

So the context is regeneration? Show me.
 

TomFL

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Regeneration is new life? This has yet to be proven

So the context is regeneration? Show me.
You have not been reading

Calvinist systematic theologies as well as lexical resources proved as much

read the op's dealing with defining regeneration
 

preacher4truth

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Prove God inserts faith in a man apart from the mans will

As for Eph 1:19

Ephesians 1:19 (KJV 1900)
19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

The reference is to the exceeding greatness of his power to us - that is to those who believe

It does not state God inserts faith

In any case the whole idea is contrary to verses such

Hebrews 12:25 (KJV 1900)
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV 1900)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Romans 5:2 (KJV 1900)
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

What really going on here is fidelity to the word of God and removing that which dishonors God by making him the sole cause of all that are damned
Let's face facts here: You will not give God all the glory. Each time Scripture is given you showing how faith is a gift (and John 1:13 proves we are not saved via our will so there is a proof) of God, that it was granted us and not the cause of salvation you take the credit for yourself and literally fight against God getting all the glory.

Does the above text prove our wills have absolutely nothing to do with our eternal salvation? Unequivocally yes.

Bottom line:

You have an aversion to this and show yourself to be the person depicted in Romans 9:20-21. That glory of God revealed in Scripture you outright reject and call God unfair as the text describes. Paul via the Holy Spirit has addressed you there my friend.

Now I can expect nothing less than that in your ongoing agenda you will continue to post out of context Scriptures and straw man arguments all designed to take the glory of God and give it to man. That appears to be your entire modus operandi.
 

TomFL

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Regeneration is new life? This has yet to be proven

So the context is regeneration? Show me.

Real the op

Calvinist authors affirm



DEFINITION OF REGENERATION
The word regeneration (Gk. paliggenesia) appears only twice in the New Testament. Once it is used eschatologically, “of the renewing of the world in the time of the Messiah” (Matt. 19:28),36 the second usage is “of the rebirth of a redeemed person” (Titus 3:5).37 Regeneration should be distinguished from conversion.
Conversion refers to the response of the human being to God’s offer of salvation and approach to man. Regeneration is the other side of conversion. It is God’s doing. In regeneration the soul is passive; in conversion, it is active. Regeneration may be defined as the communication of divine life to the soul … as the impartation of a new nature … or heart … and the production of a new creation.38
Succinctly stated, to regenerate means “to impart life.”
Moody handbook of theology

At the present time it is used in a far more restricted sense, to denote the divine act by which the sinner is endowed with new spiritual life, and by which the principle of that new life is first called into action. Sometimes it is employed in an even more limited sense, as a designation of the implanting of the new life in the soul, apart from the first manifestations of this life. In this sense of the word regeneration may be defined as that act of God by which the principle of the new life is implanted in man, and the governing disposition of the soul is made holy.
Berkhof Manual of christian doctrine


REGENERATION


§ 1. Usage of the Word

The subjective change wrought in the soul by the grace of God, is variously designated in Scripture. It is called a new birth, a resurrection, a new life, a new creature,

Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology, vol. 3 (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 3.

Regeneration
What does it mean to be born again?
EXPLANATION AND SCRIPTURAL BASIS
We may define regeneration as follows: Regeneration is a secret act of God in which he imparts new spiritual life to us. This is sometimes called “being born again” (using language from John 3:3–8).
Grudem's systematic theology




Lexicons affirm


3824 παλιγγενεσία, παλινγενεσία [paliggenesia /pal·ing·ghen·es·ee·ah/] n f. From 3825 and 1078; TDNT 1:686; TDNTA 117; GK 4098 and 4100; Two occurrences; AV translates as “regeneration” twice. 1 new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration. 1A hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. Strong's

I really don;t know why you should find it problematic for it is refered to as a new birth

and what is birth but new life
 

Reformedguy

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Real the op

Calvinist authors affirm



DEFINITION OF REGENERATION
The word regeneration (Gk. paliggenesia) appears only twice in the New Testament. Once it is used eschatologically, “of the renewing of the world in the time of the Messiah” (Matt. 19:28),36 the second usage is “of the rebirth of a redeemed person” (Titus 3:5).37 Regeneration should be distinguished from conversion.
Conversion refers to the response of the human being to God’s offer of salvation and approach to man. Regeneration is the other side of conversion. It is God’s doing. In regeneration the soul is passive; in conversion, it is active. Regeneration may be defined as the communication of divine life to the soul … as the impartation of a new nature … or heart … and the production of a new creation.38
Succinctly stated, to regenerate means “to impart life.”
Moody handbook of theology

At the present time it is used in a far more restricted sense, to denote the divine act by which the sinner is endowed with new spiritual life, and by which the principle of that new life is first called into action. Sometimes it is employed in an even more limited sense, as a designation of the implanting of the new life in the soul, apart from the first manifestations of this life. In this sense of the word regeneration may be defined as that act of God by which the principle of the new life is implanted in man, and the governing disposition of the soul is made holy.
Berkhof Manual of christian doctrine


REGENERATION


§ 1. Usage of the Word

The subjective change wrought in the soul by the grace of God, is variously designated in Scripture. It is called a new birth, a resurrection, a new life, a new creature,

Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology, vol. 3 (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 3.

Regeneration
What does it mean to be born again?
EXPLANATION AND SCRIPTURAL BASIS
We may define regeneration as follows: Regeneration is a secret act of God in which he imparts new spiritual life to us. This is sometimes called “being born again” (using language from John 3:3–8).
Grudem's systematic theology




Lexicons affirm


3824 παλιγγενεσία, παλινγενεσία [paliggenesia /pal·ing·ghen·es·ee·ah/] n f. From 3825 and 1078; TDNT 1:686; TDNTA 117; GK 4098 and 4100; Two occurrences; AV translates as “regeneration” twice. 1 new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration. 1A hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better. Strong's

I really don;t know why you should find it problematic for it is refered to as a new birth

and what is birth but new life
I asked about your so called proof text. Is the context regeneration? You say yes. Good. Using the text show me.
 

TomFL

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You claimed the context is regeneration. Show us
Regeneration is new life

3824 παλιγγενεσία, παλινγενεσία [paliggenesia /pal·ing·ghen·es·ee·ah/] n f. From 3825 and 1078; TDNT 1:686; TDNTA 117; GK 4098 and 4100; Two occurrences; AV translates as “regeneration” twice. 1 new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration. 1A hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God,
 

Reformedguy

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Regeneration is new life

3824 παλιγγενεσία, παλινγενεσία [paliggenesia /pal·ing·ghen·es·ee·ah/] n f. From 3825 and 1078; TDNT 1:686; TDNTA 117; GK 4098 and 4100; Two occurrences; AV translates as “regeneration” twice. 1 new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration. 1A hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God,
Can you read? Using your proof text, walk us through it, show us the context is regeneration. Should I ask slower? Dumb it down a little?
 
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