leonard03782
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This is the only thing that you got right. Sure you are, If the church is israel, it had to have replaced israel.
Revelation's "Coming" of Christ
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leonard03782
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That clearly defines me is a dispensationalist. both times. Thank you very much.
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Tallen
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54 And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen.
55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
57 And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.
58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.
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55 All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes
56 As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel.
57 And now, O Lord, behold, these heathen, which have ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over us, and to devour us.
58 But we thy people, whom thou hast called thy firstborn, thy only begotten, and thy fervent lover, are given into their hands.
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robycop3
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No, using ACTUAL HISTORY.
robycop3
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The law wasn't WRITTEN until Israel left Egypt, but it was understood from the beginning. Cain knew killing Abel was wrong.
Yodas_Prodigy
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What does "grafted in" mean? Certainly not a replacement...
Yodas_Prodigy
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Tell that to Roby...
Yodas_Prodigy
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I use Dispy because I don't want to type out Dispensational Premillennialist.. Call me lazy... BTW, I'm not a Full Pret... I'm a Partial Pret... Big difference...
Yodas_Prodigy
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For those of us who have been here for 15-20 years, we know that very few long-time posters will ever change without direct intervention by YHWH. This forum is composed of mostly true believers. We do take scripture seriously... Heaven and Hell is not at stake with most posters in here. And to take that a step further, other than the eventual physical return of Christ, there is no essential doctrine in eschatology... So, IMHO, whether one is Ammil, Post-Mil, Historical Pre-Mil, or Dispy, there is no impact on our eternal destiny based on those views...
Now, I do know some Dispys who believe their eschatology is essential... By holding to that, they rule out 98% of all Christian believers in history as Christians...
BlessedAnomaly
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2 Extras 6 ??
Perhaps Esdras? You have to go Catholic to resolve this? Oh my, what I could pull from the Apocrypha - prayers for the dead, salvation by works, Purgatory, Indulgences. My, oh, my.
Tallen
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Spell checker.
Esdras is not a Catholic writing..., Second Temple Jewish writing. The "church" has historically considered it wisdom. 😉
BlessedAnomaly
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Didn't say they wrote it. The Catholics include 7 books of the Apocrypha in their version of the bible. I grew up Catholic, so when someone mentions an Apocryphal book, I immediately think Catholic. Now, Esdras is not in the Catholic Apocrypha, so, yeah, I probably shouldn't have made that reference anyway. And besides that, they are used in various Protestant and Eastern Orthodox churches. I reject them, so that's all that's important, don't you agree? 😬
leonard03782
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Replacement the term that you used. not me
graft-->noun
1.a shoot or twig inserted into a slit on the trunk or stem of a living plant, from which it receives sap.
2.a piece of living tissue that is transplanted surgically.
graft-->verb
1.insert (a shoot or twig) as a graft.
2.transplant (living tissue) as a graft.
leonard03782
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This is so true.
If you say so....There are people here that will ignore Scriptures that directly refute what they are claiming. For example:
ROMANS 11:
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
I agree that eschatology is not salvific
leonard03782
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I see that there are several schools of thought in partial preterism. Which one did you go to?
leonard03782
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ROMANS 11:24
Tallen
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1 Corinthians 12:13 KJV — For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
leonard03782
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Are all Jews Christians?
Reformedguy
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I dont think that is what he is saying.
leonard03782
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REV 16:
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Do you have any geological proof that every mountain and every island found on earth today has a history of less than 1950 years?
Do you have any proof that an earthquake of the magnitude necessary to do this happened 1950 years ago?
Dou you have any proof that 1/2 of the world's population died during the time you claim all of this was fulfilled?
I can keep going, but I will let you try to find the evidence for these three first.