Revelation's "Coming" of Christ

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
This is not what I was questioning. I absolutely believe these statements. ROMANS 11:24 is referring to gentiles. Jesus came to save and offer the Kingdom to the Jews, not the Gentiles. HE even went so far as to tell His disciples not to go to the gentiles but to the Jews. All of the OT is about the Jews.

Here, take a look at this passage...

“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,"

This passage comes from the Jerusalem Council through Luke in Acts. They are quoting an Old Testament prophet... And what are they seeing? They are seeing that Gentiles are also a part of the Kingdom of David... They are part of Israel.

Here, the Tabernacle or more generally, “dwelling”; perhaps, “royal tent.” According to BDAG 928 s.v. σκηνή the word can mean “tent” or “hut,” or more generally “lodging” or “dwelling.” In this verse (a quotation from Amos 9:11) BDAG refers this to David’s ruined kingdom; it is possibly an allusion to a king’s tent (a royal tent) ...

Jesus even says that he has sheep from another fold...
15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
 

leonard03782

Well-known member
Here, take a look at this passage...

“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,"

This passage comes from the Jerusalem Council through Luke in Acts. They are quoting an Old Testament prophet... And what are they seeing? They are seeing that Gentiles are also a part of the Kingdom of David... They are part of Israel.

Here, the Tabernacle or more generally, “dwelling”; perhaps, “royal tent.” According to BDAG 928 s.v. σκηνή the word can mean “tent” or “hut,” or more generally “lodging” or “dwelling.” In this verse (a quotation from Amos 9:11) BDAG refers this to David’s ruined kingdom; it is possibly an allusion to a king’s tent (a royal tent) ...

Jesus even says that he has sheep from another fold...
15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
This is all after the second coming or perhaps on the new earth. Not here, not now.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
Given a choice, I will take the Word of GOD at face value rather than believe that HE would leave us guessing at what happens next. As far as I am concerned, if it is written down, it is going to happen.

God judging Idumea (a past event)

Isaiah 34:4
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Did this literally happen?

God judging Babylon (a past event)

Isaiah 13
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Israel (a past event)

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt (a past event)

Ezekiel 32:7-8
7 When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”
Says the Lord GOD.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering David from his enemies (A Past Event)

Psalm 18:7-15
New King James Version
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
8 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
10 And He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
He flew upon the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness His secret place;
His canopy around Him was dark waters
And thick clouds of the skies.
12 From the brightness before Him,
His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice,
[a]Hailstones and coals of fire.
14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered
At Your rebuke, O LORD,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering Israel from the Caananites (a past event)

Judges 5:3-5
New King James Version
3 “Hear, O kings! Give ear, O princes!
I, even I, will sing to the LORD;
I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 “LORD, when You went out from Seir,
When You marched from the field of Edom,
The earth trembled and the heavens poured,
The clouds also poured water;
5 The mountains [a]gushed before the LORD,
This Sinai, before the LORD God of Israel.

13 “Then the survivors came down, the people against the nobles;
The LORD came down for me against the mighty.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt

Isaiah 19:1
New King James Version
19 The burden against Egypt.
Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Ninevah (a past event)

Nahum 1:3
New King James Version
3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The LORD has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
Given a choice, I will take the Word of GOD at face value rather than believe that HE would leave us guessing at what happens next. As far as I am concerned, if it is written down, it is going to happen.

God judging Idumea (a past event)

Isaiah 34:4
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Did this literally happen?

God judging Babylon (a past event)

Isaiah 13
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Israel (a past event)

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt (a past event)

Ezekiel 32:7-8
7 When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”
Says the Lord GOD.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering David from his enemies (A Past Event)

Psalm 18:7-15
New King James Version
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
8 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
10 And He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
He flew upon the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness His secret place;
His canopy around Him was dark waters
And thick clouds of the skies.
12 From the brightness before Him,
His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice,
[a]Hailstones and coals of fire.
14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered
At Your rebuke, O LORD,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering Israel from the Caananites (a past event)

Judges 5:3-5
New King James Version
3 “Hear, O kings! Give ear, O princes!
I, even I, will sing to the LORD;
I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 “LORD, when You went out from Seir,
When You marched from the field of Edom,
The earth trembled and the heavens poured,
The clouds also poured water;
5 The mountains [a]gushed before the LORD,
This Sinai, before the LORD God of Israel.

13 “Then the survivors came down, the people against the nobles;
The LORD came down for me against the mighty.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt

Isaiah 19:1
New King James Version
19 The burden against Egypt.
Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Ninevah (a past event)

Nahum 1:3
New King James Version
3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The LORD has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet.
 
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