Robey ... ?

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
Leonard took a pass on these questions, how about you Robey??

God judging Idumea (a past event)

Isaiah 34:4
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Did this literally happen?

God judging Babylon (a past event)

Isaiah 13
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Israel (a past event)

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt (a past event)

Ezekiel 32:7-8
7 When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”
Says the Lord GOD.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering David from his enemies (A Past Event)

Psalm 18:7-15
New King James Version
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
8 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
10 And He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
He flew upon the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness His secret place;
His canopy around Him was dark waters
And thick clouds of the skies.
12 From the brightness before Him,
His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice,
[a]Hailstones and coals of fire.
14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered
At Your rebuke, O LORD,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering Israel from the Caananites (a past event)

Judges 5:3-5
New King James Version
3 “Hear, O kings! Give ear, O princes!
I, even I, will sing to the LORD;
I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 “LORD, when You went out from Seir,
When You marched from the field of Edom,
The earth trembled and the heavens poured,
The clouds also poured water;
5 The mountains [a]gushed before the LORD,
This Sinai, before the LORD God of Israel.

13 “Then the survivors came down, the people against the nobles;
The LORD came down for me against the mighty.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt

Isaiah 19:1
New King James Version
19 The burden against Egypt.
Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Ninevah (a past event)

Nahum 1:3
New King James Version
3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The LORD has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet.

Did this literally happen?
 

leonard03782

Well-known member
Leonard took a pass on these questions, how about you Robey??

God judging Idumea (a past event)

Isaiah 34:4
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Did this literally happen?

God judging Babylon (a past event)

Isaiah 13
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Israel (a past event)

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt (a past event)

Ezekiel 32:7-8
7 When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”
Says the Lord GOD.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering David from his enemies (A Past Event)

Psalm 18:7-15
New King James Version
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
8 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
10 And He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
He flew upon the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness His secret place;
His canopy around Him was dark waters
And thick clouds of the skies.
12 From the brightness before Him,
His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice,
[a]Hailstones and coals of fire.
14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered
At Your rebuke, O LORD,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering Israel from the Caananites (a past event)

Judges 5:3-5
New King James Version
3 “Hear, O kings! Give ear, O princes!
I, even I, will sing to the LORD;
I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 “LORD, when You went out from Seir,
When You marched from the field of Edom,
The earth trembled and the heavens poured,
The clouds also poured water;
5 The mountains [a]gushed before the LORD,
This Sinai, before the LORD God of Israel.

13 “Then the survivors came down, the people against the nobles;
The LORD came down for me against the mighty.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt

Isaiah 19:1
New King James Version
19 The burden against Egypt.
Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Ninevah (a past event)

Nahum 1:3
New King James Version
3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The LORD has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet.

Did this literally happen?
Who said that I took a pass on these questions?? Maybe I haven busymand have not had a chance to respond as yet. I will get to it when I get to it, not when you tell me to get it.
 

leonard03782

Well-known member
Leonard took a pass on these questions, how about you Robey??
Who said that I passed on this question?? Perhaps I have been busy and have not had a chance to answer it yet. I will answer it in my own time, not at your say so. Remember that it took a week for you to reply with your lame question. I also waited patiently for your answer without throwing insults in your face as you did to me.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
Who said that I passed on this question?? Perhaps I have been busy and have not had a chance to answer it yet. I will answer it in my own time, not at your say so. Remember that it took a week for you to reply with your lame question. I also waited patiently for your answer without throwing insults in your face as you did to me.

Well, I had seen you had logged in to CARM and yet you did not respond... Have at it dude... I'm getting the popcorn...
LOL's... Insults... Like attacking my faith etc... ;)
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Leonard took a pass on these questions, how about you Robey??

God judging Idumea (a past event)

Isaiah 34:4
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Did this literally happen?

God judging Babylon (a past event)

Isaiah 13
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Israel (a past event)

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt (a past event)

Ezekiel 32:7-8
7 When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”
Says the Lord GOD.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering David from his enemies (A Past Event)

Psalm 18:7-15
New King James Version
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
8 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
10 And He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
He flew upon the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness His secret place;
His canopy around Him was dark waters
And thick clouds of the skies.
12 From the brightness before Him,
His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice,
[a]Hailstones and coals of fire.
14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered
At Your rebuke, O LORD,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

Did this literally happen?

God delivering Israel from the Caananites (a past event)

Judges 5:3-5
New King James Version
3 “Hear, O kings! Give ear, O princes!
I, even I, will sing to the LORD;
I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 “LORD, when You went out from Seir,
When You marched from the field of Edom,
The earth trembled and the heavens poured,
The clouds also poured water;
5 The mountains [a]gushed before the LORD,
This Sinai, before the LORD God of Israel.

13 “Then the survivors came down, the people against the nobles;
The LORD came down for me against the mighty.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Egypt

Isaiah 19:1
New King James Version
19 The burden against Egypt.
Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.

Did this literally happen?

The Lord judging Ninevah (a past event)

Nahum 1:3
New King James Version
3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The LORD has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet.

Did this literally happen?
Excellent. I think he is hoping the rapture gets him outta here fast
 

robycop3

Well-known member
Leonard took a pass on these questions, how about you Robey??

God judging Idumea (a past event)

Isaiah 34:4
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved,
And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll;
All their host shall fall down
As the leaf falls from the vine,
And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

Did this literally happen?
[/QUOTE]
Aint happened yet. There were still Idumeans(Herod, etc. to name a few) after Jesus was here.
God judging Babylon (a past event)

Isaiah 13
10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,
In the wrath of the LORD of hosts
And in the day of His fierce anger.

Did this literally happen?
Seems Isaiah wrote about Jesus' return interspersed among the judgments against Babylon when the Medes & Persians conquered it.
The Lord judging Israel (a past event)

Amos 8:9
9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Did this literally happen?
I refer you to the book "Worlds In Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky. It'd take me a week to write about that event that occurred before Israel was conquered by the Assyrians.
The Lord judging Egypt (a past event)

Ezekiel 32:7-8
7 When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”
Says the Lord GOD.

Did this literally happen?
Again, I refer you to Velikovsky's book.
God delivering David from his enemies (A Past Event)

Psalm 18:7-15
New King James Version
7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
8 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.
10 And He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
He flew upon the wings of the wind.
11 He made darkness His secret place;
His canopy around Him was dark waters
And thick clouds of the skies.
12 From the brightness before Him,
His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire.
13 The LORD thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice,
[a]Hailstones and coals of fire.
14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered
At Your rebuke, O LORD,
At the blast of the breath of Your nostrils.

Did this literally happen?
Not certain, but remember, the Psalms are SONGS, & Dave likely used "artist's license" in places.
God delivering Israel from the Caananites (a past event)

Judges 5:3-5
New King James Version
3 “Hear, O kings! Give ear, O princes!
I, even I, will sing to the LORD;
I will sing praise to the LORD God of Israel.
4 “LORD, when You went out from Seir,
When You marched from the field of Edom,
The earth trembled and the heavens poured,
The clouds also poured water;
5 The mountains [a]gushed before the LORD,
This Sinai, before the LORD God of Israel.

13 “Then the survivors came down, the people against the nobles;
The LORD came down for me against the mighty.

Did this literally happen?
Definitely, the sun & moon stayed in their places awhile, & a meteor shower came in at an angle over the Israelois' heads & hit the Canaanites. We don't knoe ALL the events that happened, but the stoppage of the sun & moon were recorded worldwide.
The Lord judging Egypt

Isaiah 19:1
New King James Version
19 The burden against Egypt.
Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;
The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.

Did this literally happen?
Yes, when the Babylonians conquered them.
The Lord judging Ninevah (a past event)

Nahum 1:3
New King James Version
3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The LORD has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet.

Did this literally happen?
Yes. Most of the remains of Nineveh are buried in sand & dirt.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
Aint happened yet. There were still Idumeans(Herod, etc. to name a few) after Jesus was here.

The Idumea line of rule ends with the death of Herod Agrippa II around 92 A.D. Did the Heavens roll back? Did all of the host of Heaven dissolve?

Seems Isaiah wrote about Jesus' return interspersed among the judgments against Babylon when the Medes & Persians conquered it.

Where is the return of Christ mentioned in that passage? Seems you are reading that in to the passage.

Are these recorded events in history?

10 For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not give their light;
The sun will be darkened in its going forth,
And the moon will not cause its light to shine.
13 Therefore I will shake the heavens,
And the earth will move out of her place,

I refer you to the book "Worlds In Collision" by Immanuel Velikovsky. It'd take me a week to write about that event that occurred before Israel was conquered by the Assyrians.

It's rather simple... Israel was judged numerous times... Which judgement did this happen and where is it recorded?

“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;

Again, I refer you to Velikovsky's book.

So, when was Egypt judged like this?

When I put out your light,
I will cover the heavens, and make its stars dark;
I will cover the sun with a cloud,
And the moon shall not give her light.
8 All the bright lights of the heavens I will make dark over you,
And bring darkness upon your land,”


Not certain, but remember, the Psalms are SONGS, & Dave likely used "artist's license" in places.

So, in other words, you decide when something is literal and when something isn't. I kick it back to you saying that you claim literal interpretation... Just a sample of the passage...

7 Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.

14 He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe,
Lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them.
15 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered


Definitely, the sun & moon stayed in their places awhile, & a meteor shower came in at an angle over the Israelois' heads & hit the Canaanites. We don't knoe ALL the events that happened, but the stoppage of the sun & moon were recorded worldwide.

Could you show me how you get that out of the passage?

Yes, when the Babylonians conquered them.

This literally happened?

Behold, the LORD rides on a swift cloud,
And will come into Egypt;


Yes. Most of the remains of Nineveh are buried in sand & dirt.

You are using a different hermeneutic. Go back and read how Ninevah was destroyed...

 

robycop3

Well-known member
I read about the discovery of the ruins of Nineveh. Don't know what your argument is. The remains of Nineveh were buried beneath the shifting sands & dirt of the area. (BTW, several intact "basements" were found, full of clay tablets of Assyrian writings.) Again, what's your argument about Nineveh? 'Twas BABYLON that was slowly destroyed, although conquered quickly.
 

Yodas_Prodigy

Well-known member
I read about the discovery of the ruins of Nineveh. Don't know what your argument is. The remains of Nineveh were buried beneath the shifting sands & dirt of the area. (BTW, several intact "basements" were found, full of clay tablets of Assyrian writings.) Again, what's your argument about Nineveh? 'Twas BABYLON that was slowly destroyed, although conquered quickly.

Are the clouds the dust of his feet? Let me guess... That's artistic.... No. No. That was accidentally written by the prophet.... Uh, maybe it's an anthropomorphism...
 
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