Roe v wade formally overturned

[SteveB]

It's official, and the leading news story on all the major outlets.

Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, ending 50 years of federal abortion rights

The Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that enshrined abortion as a constitutional right in the U.S. for almost half a century.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Yahweh will increase]

It's official, and the leading news story on all the major outlets.

Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, ending 50 years of federal abortion rights

The Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade, the landmark ruling that enshrined abortion as a constitutional right in the U.S. for almost half a century.

www.cnbc.com

First let me say this, no born again Christian should ever have an abortion, for it is sin with God and I don't believe in abortion, just so you know this before I continue.


Nevertheless, while you think this is a great victory for life, you might want to remember that the majority of those born into this world will not repent and believe and once they are born, they will be responsible thereafter for every single sin that they commit unless they repent and believe and have their sins wiped clean from their record with God.


Furthermore, the Bible very clearly teaches that God has an election by grace and it also proves that none of his elect would have been aborted anyhow and so any saved from abortion that aren't his elect are only saved from death in the womb to still die a physical death later anyhow and then also after the judgment to die again in the second death and which would be far worse for them than their dying in the womb.

This is why I don't call what the churches believe about this "pro life" in accordance with what the Bible teaches and furthermore, I can't find one single scripture that supports the idea that God called the church to concern themselves this way over the babies of unbelievers.

Oh but by all means, if we know an unbeliever who is thinking about getting an abortion, we should witness to them about God and what he says in his word, but God never called his people to be a bunch of Pharisees who promote laws to make the unbelievers do what God says, for we already had this in the OT with the Ten Commandments and it doesn't work.

Also, God gave those commandments not to the wicked of the nations but to his own people to reveal unto them their own sin that needed to be dealt with in repentance and faith.

I will also guarantee you this, that you are not going to stop abortion anyhow, for now it will be done the way it was before it became illegal and even more often.

One last thing here also, for if the churches think that now the promise of 2 Chronicles 7:14 will come to pass because all of their prayers about this, they are dead wrong.

2 Chronicles 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

For notice, 2 Chronicles 7:14 states only that if God's people who are called by his name (not unbelievers) humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways, then he will hear from heaven and heal their land and not that if unrepentant unbelievers are forced not to get abortions he will hear and heal their land.

You will also notice that this thing with Roe v Wade being over turned has been in the making for a while now and still our nation is under a curse from God and that is because this is not the issue with God but rather the issue is the false doctrines that the churches have believed in and taught for many years now.

God has given us many, many years of his grace and mercy to repent from this but we have responded and therefore he is fed up with it and therefore judgment is on its way and neither Roe v Wade being over turned or same sex marriages being being made illegal isn't going to stop it either.

 

[BMS]

All you need to do now is reclassify the victims of the latest mass school shootings as 560 week abortions, and the Supreme Court will overturn the 2nd amendment too.

sour grapes

 

[SteveB]

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Hmmm.
Right.....

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Yeah, and?

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Then I'd say you should read the rest of the bible.

Pro 31:8-9 NET 8 Open your mouth on behalf of those unable to speak, for the legal rights of all the dying. 9 Open your mouth, judge in righteousness, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

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Sounds confusing. You just said that you don't see anything in the bible that talks about this.

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So the law isn't for those who are perishing, only for the people who are going to be saved?

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Well, perhaps not. But the life of human beings matter to YHVH.

Did you actually have a point here, or just rambling?

 

[SteveB]

All you need to do now is reclassify the victims of the latest mass school shootings as 560 week abortions, and the Supreme Court will overturn the 2nd amendment too.

Why reclassify them?
Does this somehow result in the crimes against people no longer be murder?

 

[SteveB]

The fact is, only saving babies from death in the womb is not pro life, the reason being is that they will eventually die physically anyhow and then if they don't repent and believe, they will end up dying again in the second death and lake of fire and which will be far worse for them than if they had died in the womb.

Wow.

You definitely sound like you are pro abortion.

While @BMS was talking to @Temujin, I'm thinking that you're definitely way more sour grapes attitude than @Temujin is.

 

[Yahweh will increase]

Hmmm.
Right.....


😳
Yeah, and?


Then I'd say you should read the rest of the bible.

No, but it is you that need to read the rest of the Bible like for instance Psalm 137:9 below.

This is speaking about the babies of the wicked

Psalm 137:9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

Remember also, for this will even be a more merciful death for them than if they continued to be raised up in sin and die in the second death and which would have been the case being raised by wicked parents and among wicked people of the nations.

Pro 31:8-9 NET 8 Open your mouth on behalf of those unable to speak, for the legal rights of all the dying. 9 Open your mouth, judge in righteousness, and plead the cause of the poor and needy

Like I said, you are the one who needs to read your Bible, for who was God speaking to when he said that and concerning whom was he speaking this about?


It wasn't the wicked dude but it was his own people of Israel, that is who he was giving this instruction unto and it was also concerning his own people who were unable to speak for themselves and not the Babies of unbelievers.

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Sounds confusing. You just said that you don't see anything in the bible that talks about this.

And I just proved that you were taking your scripture out of its proper context didn't I?

For this passage in the OT was written to God's people about God's people and not to the wicked or about the the treatment of the wicked.

So the law isn't for those who are perishing, only for the people who are going to be saved?

What unbelievers need, is not to hear the law from Pharisaical so called believers but they need to see the law lived out in the true believers life and if they were seeing this, it would have a much better effect of conviction on unbelievers than forcing it down their throat through your passing laws to make them obey and which you are doing and which will never convert them to true righteousness and life anyhow.

Well, perhaps not. But the life of human beings matter to YHVH.

That is beside the point, for he is sovereign over who lives and who dies no matter what the laws allow or don't allow and none of his elect will ever be aborted and which means that if you save all the others, you are not saving them to life but rather to eternal death in the lake of fire.

Did you actually have a point here, or just rambling?

I am quite confident that I made my point very well and whether you believe so or not doesn't matter anyhow but you heard it and therefore now you will be responsible for what you heard no matter whether you agree with it or not.


I believe that those who believe in predestination and get on the band wagon of fighting against abortion are being hypocrites, for they should know that no one who is God's elect would ever be aborted and therefore any that aren't and are saved from abortion are not saved unto life eternal but rather to die physically anyhow and after this to die also in the second death.


Therefore true Biblical pro lifers preach the gospel message like they were commissioned to do and leave all of that other political stuff concerning the laws of the land up to God.

 

[BMS]

The fact is, only saving babies from death in the womb is not pro life, the reason being is that they will eventually die physically anyhow and then if they don't repent and believe, they will end up dying again in the second death and lake of fire and which will be far worse for them than if they had died in the womb.

Point taken but God is for life in all circumstances and that includes the mother.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

All you need to do now is reclassify the victims of the latest mass school shootings as 560 week abortions, and the Supreme Court will overturn the 2nd amendment too.

How does this sound to you:

For every restriction YOU want to place on MY right to keep and bear arms for the purposes of self defense, I get to pass a law restriction abortion in some way. Deal?

This is the thing with you abortion supporters--you have no problem restricting other constitutional rights based on your political whims and ideology, yet when it comes to abortion, for some reason, you see that as a mega/super right.

The right to keep and bear arms is explicitly granted in the Constitution. The right to abortion is not. So the left things for Constitutional rights that are explicitly granted, those can be restricted. But rights that are not explicitly granted, those are mega/super rights and no one can ever restrict those.

The truth is, I can see and even support some restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms. No Constitutional right is absolute. The government may restrict certain constitutional rights when it shows cause to do so. But what is good for the goose is good for the gander. That is my point. If you get to tell me you get to restrict our right to keep and bear arms, it is difficult to understand why we should see the "right" to murder your pre-born offspring as absolute.

And here is the thing also: again, abortion supporters love telling everyone that the majority of Americans love Roe, they love abortion, they want abortion to stay. Fine. Then they should have no problem getting people elected who will give them abortion.

So what is the problem with Roe being overturned? That does not mean abortion is illegal, it just means the courts are no longer involved in the issue.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

The fact is, only saving babies from death in the womb is not pro life, the reason being is that they will eventually die physically anyhow and then if they don't repent and believe, they will end up dying again in the second death and lake of fire and which will be far worse for them than if they had died in the womb.

Yeah--we don't get to murder people to protect them from the fires of Hell.

 

[Yahweh will increase]

Wow.

You definitely sound like you are pro abortion.

While @BMS was talking to @Temujin, I'm thinking that you're definitely way more sour grapes attitude than @Temujin is.

Not at all, but instead, I am pro God being sovereign over life and death and not giving this to the church to be our concern but only preaching the gospel which is the real message of pro life.

Read history at the time of the early church and the book of Acts, for many atrocities were being done under the rule of Rome and many people were arrested and killed unjustly and even believers also but you will never read where the church went out and attempted to stop any of that.

In fact, when a believer was arrested instead they would pray fervently for them and many times God answered their pray mightily also and this is what the church should be doing instead of trying to change laws and force God's righteousness upon unbelievers who don't have the will or power of the Holy Spirit to obey them.

John 3:16 For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life".

That is the real pro life and not just saving someone from dying in the womb to die afterward anyhow and also be cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Yahweh will increase]

Yeah--we don't get to murder people to protect them from the fires of Hell.

Who is "we"?

Are you aborting your babies or is it instead the wicked who are aborting theirs?

You are only responsible for what you are doing as a believe, if indeed you really are a believer, but you are not responsible for what unbelievers are doing, for that is God's business and not yours.

Read 1 Corinthians 6 and you should see this in what Paul is saying in that passage also.

 

[SteveB]

No, but it is you that need to read the rest of the Bible like for instance Psalm 137:9 below.

This is speaking about the babies of the wicked

Psalm 137:9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

Ah, so you are saying that context doesn't matter.
Ok.

Pity. Because if you're promoting the murder of people today, please let me know what city, state/province and country you live in, and I'll call law enforcement to prevent you from doing stupid.

You see, I was taught to actually read the bible for the purpose of understanding and learning.

The very first verse in psalm 137 states the context.

By the rivers of Babylon,
There we sat down, yea, we wept
When we remembered Zion.

The author, whoever they were, was writing it at the time of their exile in Babylon.

The body of the psalm shows a despondency and depression.

Having read Jeremiah, Lamentations, Daniel, Ezekiel, Habakkuk and a handful of others, I see quite clearly that YHVH would judge the babylonians for the cruelty they perpetrated against Israel.

So, while you may indeed think that it's a good thing to rape, pillage, murder and crush others, I don't.
And I don't because of what I read in 1 John 3.

Remember also, for this will even be a more merciful death for them than if they continued to be raised up in sin and die in the second death and which would have been the case being raised by wicked parents and among wicked people of the nations.

Yeah, I'm still seeing a pro murder of unborn children in your comments.

Like I said, you are the one who needs to read your Bible, for who was God speaking to when he said that and concerning whom was he speaking this about?

Psalm 137? The babylonians.

It wasn't the wicked dude but it was his own people of Israel, that is who he was giving this instruction unto and it was also concerning his own people who were unable to speak for themselves and not the Babies of unbelievers.

The judgment due sin on Israel was clearly stated in Deuteronomy 27-28.

I remember now.... are you from the God hates fags group out of the midwest? Westboro Baptist? Guy by the name of Phelps...

And I just proved that you were taking your scripture out of its proper context didn't I?

Nope. I actually know that the 2 Chronicles 7:14 passage was talking to the king of Israel, Solomon.
So, if you're having a problem, then take it up with the forum mgmt. I know for a fact that they take such matters seriously.

For this passage in the OT was written to God's people about God's people and not to the wicked or about the the treatment of the wicked.

Yep. Solomon actually.

What unbelievers need, is not to hear the law from Pharisaical so called believers but they need to see the law lived out in the true believers life and if they were seeing this, it would have a much better effect of conviction on unbelievers than forcing it down their throat through your passing laws to make them obey and which you are doing and which will never convert them to true righteousness and life anyhow.

Curious how you keep tossing that word, pharisaical around.

That is beside the point, for he is sovereign over who lives and who dies no matter what the laws allow or don't allow and none of his elect will ever be aborted and which means that if you save all the others, you are not saving them to life but rather to eternal death in the lake of fire.

I am quite confident that I made my point very well and whether you believe so or not doesn't matter anyhow but you heard it and therefore now you will be responsible for what you heard no matter whether you agree with it or not.


I believe that those who believe in predestination and get on the band wagon of fighting against abortion are being hypocrites, for they should know that no one who is God's elect would ever be aborted and therefore any that aren't and are saved from abortion are not saved unto life eternal but rather to die physically anyhow and after this to die also in the second death.


Therefore true Biblical pro lifers preach the gospel message like they were commissioned to do and leave all of that other political stuff concerning the laws of the land up to God.

Well then, you should stop talking to people who are already with Jesus and focus on those who are perishing.

That is what Jesus said.

He came to save sinners.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Hmmm.
Right.....


😳
Yeah, and?


Then I'd say you should read the rest of the bible.

Pro 31:8-9 NET 8 Open your mouth on behalf of those unable to speak, for the legal rights of all the dying. 9 Open your mouth, judge in righteousness, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.





Sounds confusing. You just said that you don't see anything in the bible that talks about this.




So the law isn't for those who are perishing, only for the people who are going to be saved?




Well, perhaps not. But the life of human beings matter to YHVH.


Did you actually have a point here, or just rambling?

My solution has been to put folks who have nothing to say on ignore. Makes this a more peaceable place. (A little more peaceable).

 

[SteveB]

Not at all, but instead, I am pro God being sovereign over life and death and not giving this to the church to be our concern but only preaching the gospel which is the real message of pro life.

Read history at the time of the early church and the book of Acts, for many atrocities were being done under the rule of Rome and many people were arrested and killed unjustly and even believers also but you will never read where the church went out and attempted to stop any of that.

In fact, when a believer was arrested instead they would pray fervently for them and many times God answered their pray mightily also and this is what the church should be doing instead of trying to change laws and force God's righteousness upon unbelievers who don't have the will or power of the Holy Spirit to obey them.

John 3:16 For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life".

That is the real pro life and not just saving someone from dying in the womb to die afterward anyhow and also be cast into the lake of fire.

He's also stated.

Eze 18:32 WEB For I have no pleasure in the death of him who dies,” says the Lord Yahweh. “Therefore turn yourselves, and live!

Eze 33:1-9 WEB 1 Yahweh’s word came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and tell them, ‘When I bring the sword on a land, and the people of the land take a man from among them, and set him for their watchman, 3 if, when he sees the sword come on the land, he blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and doesn’t heed the warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet and didn’t take warning. His blood will be on him; whereas if he had heeded the warning, he would have delivered his soul. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword come and doesn’t blow the trumpet, and the people aren’t warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’ 7 “So you, son of man, I have set you a watchman to the house of Israel. Therefore hear the word from my mouth, and give them warnings from me. 8 When I tell the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you don’t speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man will die in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at your hand. 9 Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked of his way to turn from it, and he doesn’t turn from his way; he will die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your soul.

The purpose of posting this OP/article was to simply state that RvW was overturned.

Thus making it a great day of rejoicing for the people who have been fighting against the evil of murdering unborn children for nothing more than convenience.

 

[SteveB]

My solution has been to put folks who have nothing to say on ignore. Makes this a more peaceable place. (A little more peaceable).

Indeed!

They are reminding me of the Westboro Baptist group in Kansas.

 

[BMS]

Who is "we"?

Are you aborting your babies or is it instead the wicked who are aborting theirs?

You are only responsible for what you are doing as a believe, if indeed you really are a believer, but you are not responsible for what unbelievers are doing, for that is God's business and not yours.

Read 1 Corinthians 6 and you should see this in what Paul is saying in that passage also.

That isnt sound. God is for life, for all. Dont say killing by choice is allowed even though the result may be the same.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Who is "we"?

Are you aborting your babies or is it instead the wicked who are aborting theirs?

Thew wicked.

You are only responsible for what you are doing as a believe, if indeed you really are a believer, but you are not responsible for what unbelievers are doing, for that is God's business and not yours.

That is true when it involves consenting adults making a choice about how to live their lives and their choices do not infringe upon the rights of others.

When one's choices infringe upon the rights of others, then we have to speak up. That is why I am against abortion. It infringes upon the rights of the unborn child. The woman makes a "choice" but her child gets no choice.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Not at all, but instead, I am pro God being sovereign over life and death and not giving this to the church to be our concern but only preaching the gospel which is the real message of pro life.

And I agree--so long as it involves consenting adults making choices for themselves.

Read history at the time of the early church and the book of Acts, for many atrocities were being done under the rule of Rome and many people were arrested and killed unjustly and even believers also but you will never read where the church went out and attempted to stop any of that.

So Christians should not attempt to fight evil? We should stand by and let it happen? That is what you are suggesting?

In fact, when a believer was arrested instead they would pray fervently for them and many times God answered their pray mightily also and this is what the church should be doing instead of trying to change laws and force God's righteousness upon unbelievers who don't have the will or power of the Holy Spirit to obey them.

John 3:16 For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life."

We are the Body of Christ. While God is free to work miracles, in my mind--to just sit back and expect God to do everything---is pure laziness. We have a duty to fight evil wherever we see it.

That is the real pro life and not just saving someone from dying in the womb to die afterward anyhow and also be cast into the lake of fire.

The fact that someone may go to Hell does not justify allowing murder to be legalized.

 

[Yahweh will increase]

Ah, so you are saying that context doesn't matter.
Ok.

Nonsense, for I know very well what the context is but he is speaking of little children and if you will remember, the OT is full of narratives where God himself told Israel to go into these nations and slay everyone including little children, that is the Bible whether you like it or not.

Of course we don't do this in the NT because God has made a way now for them to be transformed but it isn't by changing the laws but rather by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross for their sins and the preaching of that gospel message.

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That is what you would like me to be saying but you know good and well that it isn't what I am saying but rather that it isn't the business of the church to save people from being murdered and what we see in the history of the early church that was truly walking in the truth both in history and in the book of Acts proves this also.

You see, I was taught to actually read the bible for the purpose of understanding and learning.

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The very first verse in psalm 137 states the context.

By the rivers of Babylon,
There we sat down, yea, we wept
When we remembered Zion.

The author, whoever they were, was writing it at the time of their exile in Babylon.

The body of the psalm shows a despondency and depression.

Having read Jeremiah, Lamentations, Daniel, Ezekiel, Habakkuk and a handful of others, I see quite clearly that YHVH would judge the babylonians for the cruelty they perpetrated against Israel.

Sorry but the fact still remains that God many times told Israel to make war with the surrounding countries and slay everyone including babies.

That is a fact that you cannot answer to either.

So, while you may indeed think that it's a good thing to rape, pillage, murder and crush others, I don't.
And I don't because of what I read in 1 John 3.

Never said any such thing but you want to make it look like I did because that is what those EDIT


I also have no problem with Roe v. Wade being over turned either, but only with those who claim to be Christians preaching and promoting law as the answer to this sin sick and dying world, for that isn't what the Bible reveals at all.

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That is dishonest bunk, for right in my very first post and first statement, I said that I am against abortion and that no true believer should ever abort their children, for it is a sin against them and God also.

Psalm 137? The babylonians.


The judgment due sin on Israel was clearly stated in Deuteronomy 27-28.

And ? What do you think that does to prove what I am saying as wrong.

You have yet to show even one single verse that proves that God commissioned his true church to involve themselves in the politics of this world and the passing laws of the world to save the babies of unbelievers from physical death or even the unbelievers themselves either.

Where is your prove, for you quoted one that you thought was proof and I revealed that you were taking it out of Context.

I remember now.... are you from the God hates fags group out of the midwest? Westboro Baptist? Guy by the name of Phelps...

EDIT for I don't have a clue what you are talking about. I live in Florida and don't belong to any sec or religious group at all and the only one that I ever used to belong to was a mainstream trinitarian church and churches.

But not anymore, because I believe the true church is scattered Revelation 18:4 and just like Daniel 12 also revealed they would be towards the end, for God's remnant is being brought back to the faith that was once Edit.

Nope. I actually know that the 2 Chronicles 7:14 passage was talking to the king of Israel, Solomon.
So, if you're having a problem, then take it up with the forum mgmt. I know for a fact that they take such matters seriously.

I agree but the point was, that EDIT use this to speak of what God will do to day if we humble ourselves and pray that abortion and homosexual rights are done away with and it is a fact EDIT

This just shows that they are in great apostasy from the truth,

They use scripture this way often also and another example is from Malachi when God makes a promise to that generation of Israel that if they will bring their tithes into the store house, that they would receive a blessing that they wouldn't have enough room to contain.

The fact is, tithing is not even a NT teaching at all and I even heard Bruce Wilkenson on James Robison's program say that Jesus taught tithing to the Jews but the NT didn't begin while Jesus was alive and teaching on this earth in the flesh, for it only began at his death and resurrection.

Then Bruce said that Abraham paying tithes was also proof that it is to be done in the NT, however that is also bogus nonsense, for God never instructed Abraham to pay tithes but Abraham did that out of his own heart and this is the reason why God also put it in the law as well.


But God requires much more from us than a tenth or anything but he requires our whole lives and all that we have., for that is what we owe him.

Yep. Solomon actually.

Then why did you quote it to be referring to the unborn babies of the wicked, for God never wrote any scripture to the unbelieving nations but but only unto the Jews alone.

Curious how you keep tossing that word, pharisaical around.

What did the Pharisees promote?

It wasn't the grace and mercy of God and salvation by faith but rather they preached the Law EDIT and just like your apostate churches are doing today also, so there is your hint.

The reason why they are doing this however, is because they don't have he substance of true godliness working in their hearts to have a true effect for change in this world and therefore they are trying to do it by law because they are religious but don't have the true Spirit of God in their hearts.

Well then, you should stop talking to people who are already with Jesus and focus on those who are perishing.

I don't believe most of them are "with the true Jesus" however but rather with the spirit of antichrist posing to be the true Jesus, so there is your answer and I make no apology's for it either.

I am sure you don't know anything about this, but the majority are being conformed to the image of the beast instead of the image of the true Jesus Christ of the Bible and as per Revelation 13.

That is what the image of the beast is referring to and it is the false prophet who asks them to make that image within them also and it comes to live through them, they give it life by accepting and believing in it instead of the true Jesus Christ of the Bible.

That is what Jesus said.

He came to save sinners.

Exactly and that is what the church was commissioned to do in his stead also but the majority are not doing it but instead like the Pharisees and lawyers of Jesus' day, they are attempt to covert people by passing laws to make them obey God instead and it is never going to work either.