Please tell us what you mean by Plenary indulgences. I want your opinion on what they are. Thnx!
If they did know for sure wouldn't that mean they knew for sure they were going to heaven? Wouldn't that be the sin of persumption?If I am remembering correctly, a Roman Catholic "plenary indulgence" erases temporal punishment due to sin. I always wondered how a Roman Catholic person knew for sure if all their sins and/or punishment was erased.
We are sure because we believe that grace works in that way. It transverses the bridge between our sinful nature and Gods grace to repair the damage our sins cause to Himself and others.If I am remembering correctly, a Roman Catholic "plenary indulgence" erases temporal punishment due to sin. I always wondered how a Roman Catholic person knew for sure if all their sins and/or punishment was erased.
Interesting. If a catholic is incarcerated for a crime and that 'temoral punishment' is removed through an indulgence are they set free? This is the nonsense man made religion fools people into believing.From the catechism:
1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance.
What is an indulgence?
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.
A plenary indulgence remvoes all of the temporal punishment.
From the catechism:
1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance.
What is an indulgence?
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.
I thought Jesus did that...silly me!A plenary indulgence remvoes all of the temporal punishment.
Seriously!?If I am remembering correctly, a Roman Catholic "plenary indulgence" erases temporal punishment due to sin. I always wondered how a Roman Catholic person knew for sure if all their sins and/or punishment was erased.
Yes it is "patently" stupid is right! I was trying to describe what I could remember about that absurd Roman Catholic teaching of what a plenary indulgence was, since you had asked my opinion of what it was, so I gave it a go, digging out some memory of it's meaning that was taught in RCC grade school.This is patently stupid. It is Jesus' action on the cross by which we are saved by grace through faith in Him and what He did for us on that cross.
Grace through faith in Jesus does that--no
Indulgences necessary.
I thought Jesus did that...silly me!
This read like a bunch of word salad. Can the Roman Catholic hierarchy make this religious belief system any more confusing for its laity?From the catechism:
1471 The doctrine and practice of indulgences in the Church are closely linked to the effects of the sacrament of Penance.
What is an indulgence?
"An indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which the faithful Christian who is duly disposed gains under certain prescribed conditions through the action of the Church which, as the minister of redemption, dispenses and applies with authority the treasury of the satisfactions of Christ and the saints."
"An indulgence is partial or plenary according as it removes either part or all of the temporal punishment due to sin." The faithful can gain indulgences for themselves or apply them to the dead.
A plenary indulgence remvoes all of the temporal punishment.
That's funny. Nothing in catholicism is just by faith. There's always a faith + something else.Seriously!?
By Faith--just like everything else in the Christian religion.
They prefer confusion over clarity.This read like a bunch of word salad. Can the Roman Catholic hierarchy make this religious belief system any more confusing for its laity?
So then are you saying that you have been taught in the Roman Catholic Church to believe that in this life you have assurance of your eternal salvation, and that by faith alone you trust and believe in what the RCC institution tells you?Seriously!?
By Faith--just like everything else in the Christian religion.
Oh that is the catechism for you.This is patently stupid. It is Jesus' action on the cross by which we are saved by grace through faith in Him and what He did for us on that cross.
Grace through faith in Jesus does that--no
Indulgences necessary.
I thought Jesus did that...silly me!
Just faith?Seriously!?
By Faith--just like everything else in the Christian religion.
The RCC has robbed its membership of the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.Oh that is the catechism for you.
They rob them of a personal relationship with Jesus. They are robbed of knowing Him and what He does for us daily.The RCC has robbed its membership of the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
What else do I need?Just faith?
Yes,So then are you saying that you have been taught in the Roman Catholic Church to believe that in this life you have assurance of your eternal salvation,
and that by faith alone you trust and believe in what the RCC institution tells you?