Romans 1 disproves total depravity, inability

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
A person who is guilty of the whole law can still do by nature the law as scripture states.
That he's broken the law proves he is forever a law breaker. Outside of Christ, there are no "do overs."

Paul is not making the point that those folks are saints because sometimes their conscience steers them away from some sin.

Remember, because of their unbelief, they stand condemned Jn 3:16-19.

They need to be evangelized
 
That he's broken the law proves he is forever a law breaker. Outside of Christ, there are no "do overs."

Paul is not making the point that those folks ate saints because sometimes their conscience steers them away from some sin. Because of their unbelief, they stand condemned Jn 3:16-19.

Robot not being theology .....

For "righteousness".

What is right about that?

What do you tell your kids? Sorry you cannot be?

Followed up with they cannot be either?
 
Some seek, some do not seek.
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
So no one seeks God actually means only some do not seek God?
 
I don't see it quite like that. According to this from Matt Slick on CARM....
Total Depravity – Man is completely touched/affected by sin in all that he is (in nature he is completely fallen), but is not as bad as he could be (in action, i.e., not all murder, etc.). Furthermore, this total depravity means that the unregenerate will not, of their own free will, choose to receive Christ.

Others see it as...Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself,

Where did you get your mistaken definition from?
Lol up total inability
 
Some seek, some do not seek.
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Where does it say that the set of "them who by patient continuence in well doing" is greater than zero?

If you would bother to continue reading a little bit further, you would know the answer:

Rom. 3:9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.
 
So no one seeks God actually means some do seek God?

The context of Rom 3:11 is a group that represents us and where we have all been at one time or another. But outside of that context some do seek God by natural revelation or greater.

Why do you believe some seek?
 
Where does it say that the set of "them who by patient continuence in well doing" is greater than zero?

If you would bother to continue reading a little bit further, you would know the answer:

Rom. 3:9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God.

That is Paul's .....

No one can be "good news".
 
The claim here today seems to be man has the ability to come to Christ on their own....perhaps some will call it "free-will".

But the problem is verses such as the following...

John 6:65...And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

No one can come....not even Chalcedon, Rockson, kampioen, PeanutGallery....NO ONE.
The bottom line is you don't have the FREE-WILL to come to Christ unless God does something. You are depraved...with a fallen sin nature which is considered by theologians as Adams original sin.

Apparently people do seek. The seekers will be the ones granted by the Father to come to Christ when the time comes. Scripture says they seek.
 
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That he's broken the law proves he is forever a law breaker. Outside of Christ, there are no "do overs."

Paul is not making the point that those folks are saints because sometimes their conscience steers them away from some sin.

Remember, because of their unbelief, they stand condemned Jn 3:16-19.

They need to be evangelized
Of course they need to be evangelized; who said otherwise. Once evangelized, are they totally depraved that they cannot believe; that is the issue.
 
The context of Rom 3:11 is a group that represents us and where we have all been at one time or another. But outside of that context some do seek God by natural revelation or greater.

Why do you believe some seek?

No, the context of Rom. 3 is ALL Jews and ALL Gentiles. Just start reading from Rom. 1:1.

Otherwise, you're saying that not all mouths are stopped by the law, and all don't need Christ.
 
No, the context of Rom. 3 is ALL Jews and ALL Gentiles. Just start reading from Rom. 1:1.

Otherwise, you're saying that not all mouths are stopped by the law, and all don't need Christ.

All mouths are stopped. But the seekers are a different context. There were Old Testament believers back in the day as well that must have been in the all mouths are stopped.
 
But for any of the seekers that hear the gospel, the Father will open their eyes and save/regenerate them.

So let me get this straight...

1) They can hear but not see...
2) They are blind "seekers";
3) salvation and regeneration are allegedly the same thing?

Sounds pretty weird...
 
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