Rosh Hashanah
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American Gothic
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is that in Tanakh?
Open Heart
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Remember that Judaism is not limited to the Tanakh. We are not Protestants.
The Feat of Trumpets, originally called Yom T'ruah, is recorded in the book of Leviticus 23:23-25 and also in Numbers 29:1-6. It is not at that time associated with a New Year. That idea accrued later in time.
Open Heart
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Thank you so much.
American Gothic
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"Jewish years are traditionally figured from creation (for example, this year is considered the 5763rd year from creation), with the New Year beginning on 1 Tishrei.
Although Rosh Hashanah is not a well-defined holiday in the Torah, distinguished mostly as “a day when the horn is sounded” (Numbers 29:1),
the Talmud expanded its religious connotations to make it the Jewish New Year and the anniversary of creation.
Rosh Hashanah 8a explains, “For R. Zeira said that Tishrei is considered the New Year for years in relation to the seasons. And this opinion of R. Zeira is in consonance with the view of R. Eliezer, who said that the world was created in Tishrei.”
In fact, the rabbis focused particularly on the creation of human beings, without whose perceptive ability the physical creation would go unappreciated."
- My Jewish Learning
Although Rosh Hashanah is not a well-defined holiday in the Torah, distinguished mostly as “a day when the horn is sounded” (Numbers 29:1),
the Talmud expanded its religious connotations to make it the Jewish New Year and the anniversary of creation.
Rosh Hashanah 8a explains, “For R. Zeira said that Tishrei is considered the New Year for years in relation to the seasons. And this opinion of R. Zeira is in consonance with the view of R. Eliezer, who said that the world was created in Tishrei.”
In fact, the rabbis focused particularly on the creation of human beings, without whose perceptive ability the physical creation would go unappreciated."
- My Jewish Learning
American Gothic
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interesting that this Rabbinic view of Creation date/start of New Year is opposite of the DSS calendar -
well, 6 months different and upside down on a circular calendar
well, 6 months different and upside down on a circular calendar
American Gothic
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a day of warning?
nah, it's "Happy New Year"!
nah, it's "Happy New Year"!
Open Heart
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It is both.
American Gothic
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according to God the year begins in the Spring
" Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
'This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you.'"
Exodus 12
" Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
'This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you.'"
Exodus 12
Open Heart
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I think you must have neglected to read my previous post, where I pointed out that Jews have more than one New Year. The one that you are referring to is the Calendar New Year on Nissan 1.
American Gothic
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this isn't the Rabbinic forum
and
you don't consider Jesus Messianism even a Judaism
so...
and
you don't consider Jesus Messianism even a Judaism
so...
Open Heart
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But the question was about Judaism, so don't ask and then complain when you are answered.
American Gothic
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are you here to talk about Jesus Messianism?
or
push yr bigoted views of what all Jews supposedly have?
or
push yr bigoted views of what all Jews supposedly have?
No supposedly about it, the poster is correct. There are several New years in Judasim. There is biblical New Year, there is traditional New Year, The New Year of trees.
Anyone can post in these forums with their views.
American Gothic
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non-Christians might not be allowed to Troll on the specifically Christian forums
my friend OH likes to claim an exclusivity on the "Judaism" and what is Not department
I asked if this was in the Tanakh...(?)
"None of that is in the Tanakh,” ....referring to the Hebrew Bible.
American Gothic
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why should any Jews (and Gentiles) who believe Jesus/the Apostles/the NT
accept this view of multiple Jewish New Years?
accept this view of multiple Jewish New Years?
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Open Heart
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I seldom post in here. But if I see someone misrepresent Judaism, I do correct them. If you are talking about Rosh Hashana, and you don't udnerstand that Jews have more than one new year, I will correct that. If you don't like me correcting you about Judaism, then stop bringing it up.
Open Heart
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@American Gothic
BTW, although this forum is specifically for "Messianic Judaism," you need to remember that there isn't actually anyone who frequents this forum who attends an MJ congregation. When I used to be active here, I was the ONLY one who had any experience with an MJ congregation (eight months in a UMJC congregation). So if you really have questions about MJ, you'll need to do research on the web. I recommend you visit the site for the Messianic Jewish Rabbinical Council, which spells out what the obligations are for the Jews in UMJC. (You will note that on this site, the festival of trumpets is referred to as Rosh Hashana, which means "head of the year," so for UMJC, they do keep it as a New Year.) All you are going to get in this forum is a lot of very disparate opinions from people who are not MJ.
Or if you wish, you can ask me, and I'll answer what I was taught back when I attended a UMJC congregation. Up to you. Unless you address me specifically, I'll assume you are not asking me.
BTW, although this forum is specifically for "Messianic Judaism," you need to remember that there isn't actually anyone who frequents this forum who attends an MJ congregation. When I used to be active here, I was the ONLY one who had any experience with an MJ congregation (eight months in a UMJC congregation). So if you really have questions about MJ, you'll need to do research on the web. I recommend you visit the site for the Messianic Jewish Rabbinical Council, which spells out what the obligations are for the Jews in UMJC. (You will note that on this site, the festival of trumpets is referred to as Rosh Hashana, which means "head of the year," so for UMJC, they do keep it as a New Year.) All you are going to get in this forum is a lot of very disparate opinions from people who are not MJ.
Or if you wish, you can ask me, and I'll answer what I was taught back when I attended a UMJC congregation. Up to you. Unless you address me specifically, I'll assume you are not asking me.
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So you are making claims without knowledge.