Well, I keep asking you how to do that given I did not find the message you did. So, again, do you have some objective method you can share that leads me to your conclusions? You think your conclusions are correct, right? We all need to know this method.you read
but that is not the same as understanding what He says
and hearing Him
Oh, please.you have no idea how awful were the events of the fall and how very much He has done to get us out of this situation.
I don't know what you mean by "accept" this world. We both navigate it for what it is. It just doesn't seem your beliefs about it matter either way. Do you live differently believing what you believe.... Do you forgo work, friendship, family, pleasure?if you choose to accept this world
then yes i‘d have no more to offer
to the conversation…
it is a choice, even being a most tiny one now given the fallen situation
and our helplessness
God has always given us a choice.Which doesn't address any of what I said. Eating a fruit is no big deal - it is entirely God who made the consequences what they are.
Quite correct.cosmological changes occurred
because of adams action
the consequence was to reality
not just moral
No evidence that you can produce, i.e. no evidence at all.no evidence that you can see or would accept.
No they don't. Show us where any ancient text mentions a "plasma torus type physics construct" containing the Earth.but every ancient text says what i just summarized.
Of course not. I'm not the monster the biblical god is portrayed as.would you punish your tiny child so severely for taking a fruit from a bowl when it’s not yet the time, without permission?
Nonsense. Adam and Eve ate at a fruit they weren't supposed to, and humanity is damned forever? That's ridiculous. The whole thing was a setup.everything He does Is commensurate to the events of the fall.
No, because of how God set it up. God knew Adam would eat the fruit; everything that happened was God's doing.cosmological changes occurred
because of adams action
Except that you can't demonstrate any consequence at all.the consequence was to reality
Neither Adam nor Eve did anything morally wrong; they couldn't have, because before they ate the fruit they had no knowledge of good and evil.not just moral
So once again we see zero evidence for your claims, and zero evidence that ancient texts support them.right… because this is a social forum, footnotes would take a long time and you still would reject it, plus there are 1000s of yards of hieroglyphic information where this is explained. and you expect a concise proof on a forum.
Which, again, does not address anything I said.God has always given us a choice.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Adam was no exception.
I am discussing what the biblical narrative says.you don’t believe in Him yet you claim He set it up as you say.
Oh? Did he not create the world? Did he not put the tree there? Did he not tell Adam and Eve not to eat of it? Did he not know that they would eat of it anyway? Who decided what would be the consequences of Adam and Eve eating the fruit?I am replying that no, He is not a monster and did not do things as you state.