O.K. What can we do about it?
Russell's Criticisms of Christianity & Jesus
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Well, I keep asking you how to do that given I did not find the message you did. So, again, do you have some objective method you can share that leads me to your conclusions? You think your conclusions are correct, right? We all need to know this method.
Electric Skeptic
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Oh, please.
Firstly, whatever the events of the fall were, they were awful because God chose them to be.
Secondly, the idea of God doing something to get us out of a situation he put is in is absurd.
Thirdly, he's omnipotent. He could have gotten us "out of this situation" more easily than I can snap my fingers.
O.K. Then there is nothing I need to know or do except to continue living as I am.
Electric Skeptic
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Which doesn't address any of what I said. Eating a fruit is no big deal - it is entirely God who made the consequences what they are.
I don't know what you mean by "accept" this world. We both navigate it for what it is. It just doesn't seem your beliefs about it matter either way. Do you live differently believing what you believe.... Do you forgo work, friendship, family, pleasure?
And there's the tragedy of Christianity. Not that Eve's views represent Christianity, but still.
God has always given us a choice.
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Adam was no exception.
Quite correct.
Adam's sin threw all of God's creation ("creature") into a state of entropy.
The whole universe is suffering.
Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Bondage of corruption = 2nd Law of Thermodynamics
What type of world is the next world?
But of course you have no evidence for any of these claims.
Does it matter whether you forgo anything in this world? Would doing so keep you from the next?
No evidence that you can produce, i.e. no evidence at all.
No they don't. Show us where any ancient text mentions a "plasma torus type physics construct" containing the Earth.
That's not an ancient text, not a plasma torus, and not containing the Earth.
Electric Skeptic
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Of course not. I'm not the monster the biblical god is portrayed as.
Nonsense. Adam and Eve ate at a fruit they weren't supposed to, and humanity is damned forever? That's ridiculous. The whole thing was a setup.
No, because of how God set it up. God knew Adam would eat the fruit; everything that happened was God's doing.
Except that you can't demonstrate any consequence at all.
Neither Adam nor Eve did anything morally wrong; they couldn't have, because before they ate the fruit they had no knowledge of good and evil.
Electric Skeptic
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You have not the slightest evidence for this - or any of your other - claims.
So once again we see zero evidence for your claims, and zero evidence that ancient texts support them.
So again, show us where any ancient text mentions a "plasma torus type physics construct" containing the Earth.
Electric Skeptic
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Which, again, does not address anything I said.
Electric Skeptic
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I am discussing what the biblical narrative says.
Oh? Did he not create the world? Did he not put the tree there? Did he not tell Adam and Eve not to eat of it? Did he not know that they would eat of it anyway? Who decided what would be the consequences of Adam and Eve eating the fruit?
All God. He did it all.