Actually, I heard that he is now saying they had not actually defined the boundaries of the annexed regions, so that Lyman may not have been included!
Russia withdraws from Lyman, city in annexed region
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If Ukraine capitulates to Russia, none of it will be left.
Gondwanaland
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Except they really didn't. Most of their forces in this area were captured or killed, as well as much of their equipment.
You forget that Ukraine was part of that (the ones not genocided by the Soviets in the Holodomor) This isn't Germany, they know how to fight in the winter too. Plus they have the homeland advantage that Russia had against Germany.
Most of it. Russia is running out of munitions and weapons. They are now using inferior Iranian drones. They can't obtain much for new munitions because most countries won't sell, even China is backing away from them. And they certainly don't have the resources currently to replace them as fast as they are using them or losing them.
Theophilos
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Ukraine would be out of ammunition and unable to pay its soldiers without the massive US aid. The reality is that government in Kyiv is nothing more than an American puppet.
At this point, any settlement would require concessions that would be an existential threat to the egos and careers of the neo-cons in Washington. Washington would much rather send Ukrainian men to their deaths than negotiate an end to the war.
If Ukraine continues to fight, it is likely that a generation or two of Ukrainian men will be either killed or suffer permanent injury. The last time something similar happened in the west was during WW1.
Gondwanaland
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Aid that we promised them when we convinced them to give up their nukes. Russia reneged on that same agreement the moment they began their genocidal assault.
*yawn*
The only concessions right now are ones that will need to come from Russia, which is in pretty steady retreat and in very poor shape militarily. And Russia's citizens sure ain't interested in helping their idiotic war - huge numbers are fleeing the draft attempts.
Ukraine is not remeotely in as bad a shape militarily as Russia, sorry bud.
Reepicheep
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It appears the next massive Ukrainian breakthrough will be happening in the South. There are many reports that the Ukrainian armed forces have advanced 25 miles into occupied Russian territory today. The only hope for thousands of Russian soldiers is an immediate retreat, which will again result in huge amounts of Russian armor and ammunition being left behind.
More specifically: from what I can determine, Ukraine has made two significant advances today into the district of Kherson, with the goal of isolating the City of Kherson and trapping the thousands of Russian soldiers occupying the city. The situation will likely be made clear in another day or two, but it certainly appears this southern breakthrough will be as significant as the northern breakthrough at Kharkov.
More specifically: from what I can determine, Ukraine has made two significant advances today into the district of Kherson, with the goal of isolating the City of Kherson and trapping the thousands of Russian soldiers occupying the city. The situation will likely be made clear in another day or two, but it certainly appears this southern breakthrough will be as significant as the northern breakthrough at Kharkov.
If your idea of negotiation is to turn over much of eastern Ukraine to Putin as a reward for his unjustified invasion, that is not acceptable to anyone but Putin fans.
Harry Leggs
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Everybody thinks the USA is responsible for the Nord Stream pipeline damage. Bottom
Theophilos
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Yes, if you can't trust the people who brought us the mythical "ghost of Kiev" who can you trust?
I am very familiar with Ukrainian history. Millions of Ukrainians were killed as a result of Communist oppression. What people forget is that millions of ethnic Russians also died as well.
A large part of the Russian fighting force is from the annexed areas of Ukraine. The local militia is far more familiar with the territory than Ukrainian conscripts from Kyiv or western Ukraine.
Yes, a recurring theme in western media has been that Russia is almost out of munitions. Here is an article from March.
Russia has demonstrated enormous capacity in producing artillery shells, far beyond what the US is capable of. Meanwhile Ukraine has already depleted NATO stocks of munitions.
US annual artillery production would at best only last for 10 days to two weeks of combat in Ukraine.
The US was the arsenal of democracy in WW2, but the US has gutted that capacity in favor of cheap imports from China. Russia has apparently kept its capacity.
Gondwanaland
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Never heard of psychological warfare, eh?
And the information comes from military analysts, not Ukraine.
And now Russia is doing it again. BTW, those ethnic Russians were the victims of Russia's leveling of an entire city that had the largest russian-speaking population in the country just a few months ago.
Some of the militia is, certainly. But they aren't many.
As Ukraine counterattacks, Russia’s military facing steep artillery, resupply challenges - Breaking Defense
Even before this weeks' gains by Ukraine, there were signs that Russia's artillery is wearing down, and that it is running low on munitions - potentially limiting Moscow's options.
breakingdefense.com
Russia has very little capacity, especially with the financial restraints being placed on them
No, no it hasn't.
Theophilos
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Most of the "news" in western media has been nothing more than propaganda from Kyiv or Washington.
Consider the hype about Lyman. The town is now a major strategic center, but when Russia captured it on May 27, western media barely mentioned it all.
Will Lyman go back to being of little to no importance when Russia retakes the town?
Gondwanaland
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Yes, it's mentioned now because it was one of the areas that Putin illegally 'annexed', and then he lost it the next day.
Russia isn't going to retake it, because they're in full retreat mode.
Even Putin's own allies are mocking and ridiculing the current state of the Russian forces and occupied territory.
Russia's war machine faces ridicule from two Putin allies
LONDON (Reuters) -The withdrawal of Russian forces from a strategically important town in eastern Ukraine has prompted two powerful allies of President Vladimir Putin to do something rare in modern Russia: publicly ridicule the war machine's top brass. Russia's loss of the bastion of Lyman...
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Theophilos
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Western media cover every hiccough in Russia while ignoring the growing problems in the west.Yes, it's mentioned now because it was one of the areas that Putin illegally 'annexed', and then he lost it the next day.
Russia isn't going to retake it, because they're in full retreat mode.
Even Putin's own allies are mocking and ridiculing the current state of the Russian forces and occupied territory.
Russia's war machine faces ridicule from two Putin allies
LONDON (Reuters) -The withdrawal of Russian forces from a strategically important town in eastern Ukraine has prompted two powerful allies of President Vladimir Putin to do something rare in modern Russia: publicly ridicule the war machine's top brass. Russia's loss of the bastion of Lyman...www.yahoo.com
The NATO sanctions were supposed to crash Russia's currency, destroy its economy, and cause regime change. The reality is that the self-inflicted embargo on Russian energy is causing those problems in NATO countries. Consider these reports from the UK:
The British pound is at historic lows compared to the US dollar (1 GBP = 1.12 USD). The conversion compared to the ruble has gone from over 100 rubles/gbp to only 65 since early February.
British Pound to Russian Ruble Exchange Rate Chart | Xe
GBP to RUB currency chart. XE’s free live currency conversion chart for British Pound to Russian Ruble allows you to pair exchange rate history for up to 10 years.
www.xe.com
Britons are protesting and burning their utility bills as the country faces sky-rocketing fuel costs, energy shortages, and blackouts this winter:
Revolution In Air As Brits Burn Power Bills Amid Historic Energy Crisis | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
The new PM just did a 180 after her plans nearly bankrupted British pension plans. Only massive intervention by the Bank of England avoided immediate collapse. Her Conservative party is now more than 30 points behind the opposition Labour.
UK's Truss Pushed Into "Humiliating" U-Turn, Scraps Tax Cuts For Top Earners To "Restore Credibility" | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
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Gondwanaland
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These are far beyond hiccups Russia is dealing with. They're running out of weapons, and being run out of even the territory they tried to illegally annex, and even their own people do not want anything to do with their attempted genocide of the Ukrainians and are fleeing the attempts by Putin to get new people to sacrifice to his cause. And now his own allies are ridiculing his losses.
Lookit you changing the subject.The NATO sanctions were supposed to crash Russia's currency, destroy its economy, and cause regime change. The reality is that the self-inflicted embargo on Russian energy is causing those problems in NATO countries. Consider these reports from the UK:
The British pound is at historic lows compared to the US dollar (1 GBP = 1.12 USD). The conversion compared to the ruble has gone from over 100 rubles/gbp to only 65 now.
British Pound to Russian Ruble Exchange Rate Chart | Xe
GBP to RUB currency chart. XE’s free live currency conversion chart for British Pound to Russian Ruble allows you to pair exchange rate history for up to 10 years.
Britons are protesting and burning their utility bills as the country faces sky-rocketing fuel costs, energy shortages, and blackouts this winter:
Revolution In Air As Brits Burn Power Bills Amid Historic Energy Crisis | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
The new PM just did a 180 after her plans nearly bankrupted British pension plans. Only massive intervention by the Bank of England avoided immediate collapse. Her Conservative party is now more than 30 points behind the opposition Labour.
UK's Truss Pushed Into "Humiliating" U-Turn, Scraps Tax Cuts For Top Earners To "Restore Credibility" | ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
Hate to tell you but that's due to inflation caused by the out of control spending of Covid, not due to Russia, hun.
Theophilos
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Yes, COVID spending resulted a huge spree of printing money, but inflation in western nations has been accelerating since the NATO sanctions even though COVID spending has been ending.
The UK is looking at a recession combined with an inflation rate near 20% this winter, and those estimates were before the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.
Goldman warns UK inflation could top 20% as recession nears
LONDON/HONG KONG (Reuters) -Inflation in Britain could exceed 20% early next year if spiralling gas prices fail to come down, economists from U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs warned, adding that a recession was on the way. Last week Britain's energy regulator said power bills will jump 80% to...
The sanctions war is at least as important as anything going on the battlefield. Ukraine is stuck in the crossfire of a proxy war between Russia and NATO, and NATO is losing the sanctions war at this point.
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Gondwanaland
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Even Russia State TV is having a hard time with Putin and his utter losses. https://www.yahoo.com/news/frustration-ukraine-war-spills-russian-205845140.htmlYes, COVID spending resulted a huge spree of printing money, but inflation in western nations has been accelerating since the NATO sanctions even though COVID spending has been ending.
The UK is looking at a recession combined with an inflation rate near 20% this winter, and those estimates were before the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines.
Goldman warns UK inflation could top 20% as recession nears
LONDON/HONG KONG (Reuters) -Inflation in Britain could exceed 20% early next year if spiralling gas prices fail to come down, economists from U.S. investment bank Goldman Sachs warned, adding that a recession was on the way. Last week Britain's energy regulator said power bills will jump 80% to...
The sanctions war is at least as important as anything going on the battlefield. Ukraine is stuck in the crossfire of a proxy war between Russia and NATO, and NATO is losing the sanctions war at this point.
Theophilos
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Yes, Russian citizens are demanding that Putin get more aggressive in Ukraine.
That is not the good news you think it is.
Gondwanaland
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No, they are demanding the opposite.
How many do you think there are?
You think that's what he thinks?