Salvation by works

fltom

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If belief is not a statute, what is it?? 1 John 3:23

address these for a change and stop trying to controvert scripture
 

Reformedguy

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address these for a change and stop trying to controvert scripture
If belief is not a statute, command or decree, what is it? 1 John 3:23
 

fltom

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If belief is not a statute, command or decree, what is it? 1 John 3:23
you answered nothing

 

Reformedguy

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you answered nothing

If belief is not a command, decree or statute, what is it? 1 John 3:23
 

fltom

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If belief is not a command, decree or statute, what is it? 1 John 3:23
still do not see an answer from you

 

Reformedguy

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still do not see an answer from you

If belief is not a statute, decree or command then what is it? 1 John 3:23
 

fltom

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If belief is not a statute, decree or command then what is it? 1 John 3:23
I still do not see an answer to this which you have been avoiding for a very long time

 

Reformedguy

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I still do not see an answer to this which you have been avoiding for a very long time

If belief is not a command, statute nor decree, what is it? 1 John 3:23
 

fltom

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If belief is not a command, statute nor decree, what is it? 1 John 3:23
see how he runs from addressing scripture

 

Reformedguy

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see how he runs from addressing scripture

If belief is not a command, statute or decree then what is it?

1 John 3:23
 

fltom

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If belief is not a command, statute or decree then what is it?

1 John 3:23
still you run from the word of God


refusing to believe what it states
 

Reformedguy

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still you run from the word of God


refusing to believe what it states
If belief is not a command, statute or decree then what is it?

1 John 3:23
 

fltom

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If belief is not a command, statute or decree then what is it?

1 John 3:23
how many years must go by before your will address these?

 

Reformedguy

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how many years must go by before your will address these?

If belief is not a command, decree or statute then what is it?

1 John 3:23
 
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Ladodgers6

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Salvation by faith is the appeal of a sin conscious guilty person calling out to Jesus Christ in belief to save him.
  • These people hear the Good News of Christ and obey by changing their mind and believing; that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no
How does one change their mind? How do they obey? Can you define it a bit more for me?
Biblically, salvation by works is not when one responds to God as instructed to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Their appeal to Jesus Christ is by faith, which comes from hearing the Good News of God in Christ. They are saved by God's grace when they believed. They take no credit for it. Their salvation is a gift of God. Salvation was not a reward for the good things they may have done, and they certainly don't boast they were saved by their goodness. They trust God to make them right with Him.

God Bless
Exactly it comes by hearing the Gospel, but why doesn't everyone believe? In other words, is it apart from the Regenerating power of the Holy Spirit? We always come back to this crucial point, don't we? Well Joe, I have something to share with you, and if you wouldn't mind, giving me your honest thoughts.


Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ​

Matthew 16:13 Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; 26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Hope you and yours are doing well.
By Grace Alone!
 

fltom

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How does one change their mind? How do they obey? Can you define it a bit more for me?

Exactly it comes by hearing the Gospel, but why doesn't everyone believe? In other words, is it apart from the Regenerating power of the Holy Spirit? We always come back to this crucial point, don't we? Well Joe, I have something to share with you, and if you wouldn't mind, giving me your honest thoughts.
Faith precedes regeneration which is new life

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 5:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Acts 11:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

In every case faith precedes life

and seeing as regeneration is what imparts life

Although the word regeneration is used only twice in the Bible (Titus 3:5, where it refers to the new birth, and Mt 19:28 where it refers to the millennial kingdom), the concept of being born again is found in other passages, notably John 3. Technically, it is God’s act of begetting eternal life in the one who believes in Christ.
A survey of bible doctrine

(6) spiritual or eternal life, a state of regeneration or renewal in holiness and fellowship with God (John 3:15–16, 36; 5:24; 6:47); (7) the life that is in Christ and God—divine life itself (John 1:4; 1 John 1:1–2; 5:11).[2]

Evangelical dictionary of theology

c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9.[3]

An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism

Regeneration

It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life

CARM

Regeneration is the divine action by which God renews the fallen creation so that it reflects his character.

For human beings, regeneration is the answer to the corruption of moral character caused by sin. It is essential for participation in the kingdom of God (John 3:3). At conversion, God grants the believer new life and a new identity in Christ. This event is so powerful that John refers to it as a new birth, a birth “from above” (John 3:3), while Paul refers to it as a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17). In either case, the change is brought about by the Holy Spirit, who comes to indwell the believer. Those born of the Spirit receive not an extension of mortal life but eternal life, a life which has the quality of God’s own. Lexham survey of theology



REGENERATION

The term regeneration comes from a Greek word meaning “rebirth” or “new genesis.” The term signifies the renewal of the fallen creation through the redemptive work of Christ. The actual term “regeneration” is found only twice in Scripture, once for the renewal of all things (Mt 19:28; cf. Ac 3:21, “restoration of all things”) and once for the present inner spiritual renewal of believers. The same concept of renewal is expressed in the language of a new heart (e.g., Eze 36:26f), of a new birth (e.g., Jn 3:3, 7), of new persons through union with Christ in death and resurrection (e.g., Ro 6:4–8), and a new creation including persons (e.g., 2 Co 5:17) and the heavens and earth (e.g., Re 21:1). All of these concepts of renewal belong to the one great action of God in bringing eternal life and incorruptibility to fallen creation.

NASB Topical index


[1] Charles Caldwell Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody Press, 1972).
[2] Walter A. Elwell, Evangelical Dictionary of Theology: Second Edition (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2001), 394.
[3] Otto Thelemann, An Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism, trans. M. Peters (Reading, PA: James I. Good, D. D, Publisher, 1896), 154.then it is clear

faith precedes regeneration
 
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