Salvation is 100 % a Gift of Gods Grace !

civic

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Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption alone (Romans 3:24-28) and not based on the merits of our works. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9)
Amen brother praising God !
 

brightfame52

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We do believe by Him !

1 Pet 1:20-21

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

The word believe here is πιστεύω:

o think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

  1. of the thing believed
    1. to credit, have confidence
  2. rom G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

This proves that all of Salvation is by Christs work. Salvation is 100 % by the Grace of God, and since Faith in Christ is part of Salvation, Faith in Christ is given by Grace ! We believe because of Christ !

Todays religions wants to take credit for Faith in Christ reducing it to a work of man in the flesh !
 

TomFL

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We do believe by Him !

1 Pet 1:20-21

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

The word believe here is πιστεύω:

o think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in

  1. of the thing believed
    1. to credit, have confidence
  2. rom G4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ):—believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

This proves that all of Salvation is by Christs work. Salvation is 100 % by the Grace of God, and since Faith in Christ is part of Salvation, Faith in Christ is given by Grace ! We believe because of Christ !

Todays religions wants to take credit for Faith in Christ reducing it to a work of man in the flesh !
God is not going to believe for you nor does he infuse saving faith in man

Salvation is 100 % from God

The responsibility to believe however belongs with man
 

TomFL

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Since believing is part of Salvation by Grace, its 100% Gods doing ! We believe by Him 1 Pet 1:21
Nope God saves those that believe

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 10:9 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

your theology reverses the biblical order
 

brightfame52

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Nope God saves those that believe

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 10:9 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

your theology reverses the biblical order
Believing is Part of Salvation, its 100% of Grace. See Salvation is 100% of God so believing is because of Gods Saving. You cant contribute any of Salvation outside of Gods Grace !
 

TomFL

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Believing is Part of Salvation, its 100% of Grace. See Salvation is 100% of God so believing is because of Gods Saving. You cant contribute any of Salvation outside of Gods Grace !
Sorry no God saves those that believe

these are two operations here believing and saving

man is doing the believing and God the saving

You need to believe scripture as written
 

brightfame52

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Sorry no God saves those that believe

these are two operations here believing and saving

man is doing the believing and God the saving

You need to believe scripture as written
They believe because of Grace Acts 18:27 again Salvation is 100 % by Grace, the believing ncluded !
 

TomFL

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Believing is Part of Salvation, its 100% of Grace. See Salvation is 100% of God so believing is because of Gods Saving. You cant contribute any of Salvation outside of Gods Grace !
Sorry no God saves those that believe

these are two operations here believing and saving

man is doing the believing and God the saving

You need to believ3e scripture as writtenBecause of grace yes


They believe because of Grace Acts 18:27 again Salvation is 100 % by Grace, the believing ncluded !
God however still saves those that believe

The believing is one thing

the saving another

Man is doing the believing

God the saving

Its scripture
 

brightfame52

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Sorry no God saves those that believe

these are two operations here believing and saving

man is doing the believing and God the saving

You need to believ3e scripture as writtenBecause of grace yes



God however still saves those that believe

The believing is one thing

the saving another

Man is doing the believing

God the saving

Its scripture
Again, Believing is part of Salvation being 100% of God by Grace, men believe because of Gods Saving Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
 

brightfame52

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tom

man is doing the believing and God the saving

Which is altogether true, since mans believing is the consequence of God doing the saving by Grace. We believe because of Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
 

TomFL

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tom



Which is altogether true, since mans believing is the consequence of God doing the saving by Grace. We believe because of Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
Sorry

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

its still two actions

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 16:31 (KJV)
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


and the saving follows believing

The only way it can follow is if they are two separate actions
 

brightfame52

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Sorry

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

its still two actions

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 16:31 (KJV)
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


and the saving follows believing

The only way it can follow is if they are two separate actions
All of Salvation is 100% of Grace, even the Faith to believe Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The entire saving, converting process is of Grace 100%
 

TomFL

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All of Salvation is 100% of Grace, even the Faith to believe Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The entire saving, converting process is of Grace 100%

Yes grace

but believing and saving are different things which you just ignore



1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

its still two actions

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 16:31 (KJV)
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


and the saving follows believing

The only way it can follow is if they are two separate actions
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Yes grace

but believing and saving are different things which you just ignore



1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

its still two actions

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 16:31 (KJV)
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.


and the saving follows believing

The only way it can follow is if they are two separate actions
Yes Grace, Salvation and Faith are 100% by Grace!
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Yes Grace, Salvation and Faith are 100% by Grace!
Did you imagine we were playing dodge ball

Grace is not the issue

Salvation follows faith

it does not precede it

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
 
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