brightfame52
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Again, Believing is out of Grace, Salvation is out of Grace, Salvation is 100% by the Grace of God, believing is a concomitant of Salvation by Grace !
Salvation is 100 % a Gift of Gods Grace !
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TomFL
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Stop dodging the issue
Grace is not the issue
Salvation follows faith
it does not precede it
John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
brightfame52
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The Issue is Salvation is 100 % by Grace, and since Faith is part of Salvation, its by Grace. Men believe because of, or on account of Grace Acts 18:27
newheart78
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Perfectly stated Brother !
brightfame52
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Bless you my Sister !
newheart78
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Bless you too my Brother !
ReverendRV
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Will somebody please bless me!
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guest1
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Bless you my brother!
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TomFL
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He dodged the issue and assumed his view
Faith precedes salvation
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Acts 16:31 (ESV)
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
man believes and then God saves
your idea men believe because they have been saved is unbiblical
brightfame52
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The Issue is Salvation is 100 % by God, by His Grace, we believe by Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
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TomFL
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well belief and salvation are not the same thing and faith still precedes salvation
Faith precedes salvation
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Acts 16:31 (ESV)
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
man believes and then God saves
your idea men believe because they have been saved is unbiblical
brightfame52
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Why are you opposing Salvation by Grace 100% ?
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TomFL
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Why is it you don't read what you are replying to
well belief and salvation are not the same thing and faith still precedes salvation
Faith precedes salvation
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Acts 16:31 (ESV)
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
man believes and then God saves
your idea men believe because they have been saved is unbiblical
brightfame52
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mans believing is the consequence of God doing the saving by Grace. We believe because of Grace Acts 18:27
27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:
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TomFL
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You failed to compare scripture with scripture
Faith precedes salvation
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Acts 16:31 (ESV)
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Romans 1:16 (KJV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Its pretty pathetic really
man believes and then God saves
brightfame52
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All of Salvation is 100% of Grace, the Faith that believes is given by God through Grace , we believers believe by Grace Acts 18:27;Eph 2:8
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TomFL
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Again diversion
How is it your theology does not enable you to respond to objections
You failed to compare scripture with scripture
Faith precedes salvation
1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Acts 16:31 (ESV)
31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 20:31 (ESV)
31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Romans 1:16 (KJV)
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Its pretty pathetic really
man believes and then God saves
brightfame52
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No diversion, this thread is about Salvation is 100% A Gift of Gods Grace !
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TomFL
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You diverted from the context above which you were supposedly replying to
except you didn't
brightfame52
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You still dont get it. All of Salvation is 100% of Grace, that includes the Believing too.