Salvation is 100 % a Gift of Gods Grace !

ReverendRV

Well-known member
You are contradicting yourself

Stating salvation has no conditions

and salvation has a condition
Not really; it's like having children. It's %100 due to the Seed, and %100 due to the Egg. The issue you have is because you reject Compatibalism; but you shouldn't. Having children isn't due to 50-50, but is due to two distinct %100's...

%100 x %100 = 1...
 
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brightfame52

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The simply fact is he noted grace means salvation has no conditions

That is the topic I raised based on what he stated and you responded to

You have affirmed Salvation has a condition

You cannot wiggle your way out of that
All of Salvation is 100% conditioned on Sovereign Grace, even the Faith to believe in Christ is of Grace, the believer believes because of Grace see Acts 18:27 !
 

brightfame52

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revrv

So, are you saying that Grace and Salvation are the same thing?

Actually Yes, when you consider one is saved by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Grace brings Salvation right, read Titus 2:11

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

That word bringeth in the original means: sōtērios

  1. saving, bringing salvation
  2. he who embodies this salvation, or through whom God is about to achieve it
  3. the hope of (future) salvation
properly, of salvation ("applied salvation"), emphasizing the direct application of God's salvation.

Its the saving application of Salvation !


As Saviour Jesus is 100% responsible for the application of Salvation unto them He died for !
 

civic

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revrv



Actually Yes, when you consider one is saved by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Grace brings Salvation right, read Titus 2:11

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

That word bringeth in the original means: sōtērios

  1. saving, bringing salvation
  2. he who embodies this salvation, or through whom God is about to achieve it
  3. the hope of (future) salvation
properly, of salvation ("applied salvation"), emphasizing the direct application of God's salvation.

Its the saving application of Salvation !


As Saviour Jesus is 100% responsible for the application of Salvation unto them He died for !


LOL more EISEGESIS- reading your own IDEAS into the meaning of words, phrases in Scripture

grace- unmerited favor

salvation- to save
sózó: to save
Original Word: σῴζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sózó
Phonetic Spelling: (sode'-zo)
Definition: to save
Usage: I save, heal, preserve, rescue.
HELPS Word-studies
4982 sṓzō (from sōs, "safe, rescued") – properly, deliver out of danger and into safety; used principally of God rescuing believers from the penalty and power of sin – and into His provisions (safety).
 

TomFL

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All of Salvation is 100% conditioned on Sovereign Grace, even the Faith to believe in Christ is of Grace, the believer believes because of Grace see Acts 18:27 !
You are skirting the issue

The issue is not grace

but whether salvation is conditional

scripture is clear it is

Acts 16:30-31 (KJV)
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

you are denying scripture
 

newheart78

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revrv



Actually Yes, when you consider one is saved by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Grace brings Salvation right, read Titus 2:11

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

That word bringeth in the original means: sōtērios

  1. saving, bringing salvation
  2. he who embodies this salvation, or through whom God is about to achieve it
  3. the hope of (future) salvation
properly, of salvation ("applied salvation"), emphasizing the direct application of God's salvation.

Its the saving application of Salvation !


As Saviour Jesus is 100% responsible for the application of Salvation unto them He died for !
Amen Brother !
 

TomFL

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Not really; it's like having children. It's %100 due to the Seed, and %100 due to the Egg. The issue you have is because you reject Compatibalism; but you shouldn't. Having children isn't due to 50-50, but is due to two distinct %100's...

%100 x %100 = 1...
Sorry no

I am not buying it

Saying salvation has no conditions

and saying salvation has a condition is a contradiction
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
Sorry no

I am not buying it

Saying salvation has no conditions

and saying salvation has a condition is a contradiction
I'm saying that Grace has no Conditions friend. Sure; Justification is 'Salvation Proper', and Justification is conditioned on Faith Alone...

Grace is Unmerited Favor, that's unconditional...
 

TomFL

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I'm saying that Grace has no Conditions friend. Sure; Justification is 'Salvation Proper', and Justification is conditioned on Faith Alone...

Grace is Unmerited Favor, that's unconditional...
So in other words salvation is conditional

and Brightflame52 disagrees with you

It's ok however because you are correct here and he is not
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Not really; it's like having children. It's %100 due to the Seed, and %100 due to the Egg. The issue you have is because you reject Compatibalism; but you shouldn't. Having children isn't due to 50-50, but is due to two distinct %100's...

%100 x %100 = 1...
Again not buying it

...........................

You are contradicting yourself

Stating salvation has no conditions

and salvation has a condition
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
Again not buying it

...........................

You are contradicting yourself

Stating salvation has no conditions

and salvation has a condition
Justification is Salvation Proper, and it has a Condition; IE Faith. Grace is Unconditional because Grace is Unmerited Favor brother...
 
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