Satan and Hell
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I'm certainly thankful for his mercy in my life.
This is not true. We reap what we sow. (Galatians 6:7) They, evil doers, will eventually receive some type of punishment in this life according to God's timing who gives people time to repent and turn from wickedness. (Rev 2:21) The people of God also receive correction (punishment) for the wrong things we do in this life. Heb 12:5-11
Ecclesiates 8:11-13 Because sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the human heart is fully set to do evil. 12 Though sinners do evil a hundred times and prolong their lives, yet I know that it will be well with those who fear God, because they stand in fear before him, 13 but it will not be well with the wicked, neither will they prolong their days like a shadow, because they do not stand in fear before God.
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Eightcrackers
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"I created her, so she owes her existence to me"
I would be a monster.
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(If you think "creatorship confers ownership" applies to sentient beings, that is dismal.)
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puddleglum
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It is called Sheol in the Old Testament and Hades in the New.
Lighthearted Atheist
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You are claiming to have supernatural knowledge with no proof at all. You are suggesting that you know the true nature of God and Satan, you know they exist, you know that Hell is a place outside our reality, etc. Those are astounding claims. Just the ability to collect evidence from outside our reality would get you a Nobel Prize.
How did you prove any of this is true? And are you saying that Paradise Lost is scripture?
Lighthearted Atheist
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Try making sense of that and tell me you do not just want to walk into the ocean.
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puddleglum
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God has revealed the truth through the Bible and I am simply believe what it says. And I clearly said that Paradise Lost contradicts scripture.
Straw man.
Nothing occurs outside of the decree of God, including your trolling with posts like the one above. ?
Harry Leggs
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You are? Has that ever happened? Don't you think it would depend on the circumstances on what you would do in the imaginary scenario depicted where rape happens? Where it would cost you something to intervene in an attempted rape? Where you would have to initiate bravery to overcome fear something dreadful might happen to you if you intervened? You might get beat or killed if you intervened on behalf of the female? Is it about you or is it about the female? What would God have you do if you observed a rape? You would probably say nothing, wouldn't you.
You would indict God as a monster? Perhaps that says more about you than it does about God? Do you believe God is loving and forgiving and you would reflect God to the world then go out and be loving and forgiving to everyone you meet every day? Don't you believe that would be your responsibility? If you believe God is courageous then go out and be courageous so you will reflect God to the world. Is that not your obligation? Do you not reflect God to the world?
Can you provide examples? Did Paul receive no punishment?
What do you reject about God and what do you misrepresent in your jaundiced view? it sounds like hate is at your core here. Hatred of God. Depicting God as evil.
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Harry Leggs
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If you don't believe the statement then make your case from the Bible. Because all that you are offering here is opinion. Bilge about all you think you know.
Harry Leggs
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Opinion
It is? For us? You believe God wants us to drown babies? What about abortion? Is that also good? What about stitching fetal skin on rats? Do you believe that is what God would have us do? You probably do, don't you.
It is? Do you believe God would have us ignore rape? You probably do, don't you.
It is? You are full of hate and that is not good. There is enough hate in the world but you must think the more the better!
Against idolatry?
it sounds like you are not making sense of anything but are spewing poison.
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Lucian
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That's probably untrue. If you knew that if you stopped a rape, then hundreds more would certainly happen, you probably wouldn't stop it at all.
Eightcrackers
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I would prevent those hundreds.
And any that came after.
In fact, given that I made most people to live their lives without ever entertaining the thought of raping somebody, I would have made everybody that way - voila! No more rapes, ever, and everybody has free will.
Lucian
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Okay: so I guess you acknowledge that, possibly, it's permissible to allow a rape to occur. How have you reached the determination that God could not have reasons to permit the same?
Eightcrackers
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No, I do not acknowledge that; I can see no scenario where an all-powerful being would be justified in allowing a rape to occur.
If "I have my reasons" wouldn't get a human rape-watcher off the hook, why would it excuse an all-powerful god?
Unless you tell me what the reason/s is, you do not get the benefit of the doubt, be you human or god.
Lucian
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In that case, can you address directly what I said above?
That's probably untrue. If you knew that if you stopped a rape, then hundreds more would certainly happen, you probably wouldn't stop it at all.
Eightcrackers
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Were I not all-powerful, you would be right.
But my objection is levelled at an all-powerful being for whom nothing "certainly" follows - I can see no circumstance where an all-powerful being would be in the position of not being able to stop a rape because "hundreds of others would follow".
Lucian
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Great: so being as you're not all powerful, I'm right that you wouldn't prevent a rape from happening if you knew that in doing so hundreds more would certainly occur. So, that means you are committed to the idea that it's possibly permissible to allow a rape to occur.
Evidently, if God exists, then he permits rapes to occur, and it's your view that since he could not possess (good) reasons to permit this, he doesn't exist. But I'm asking you how you've determined that he could not have these.