Satan and Hell

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Howie

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Eightcrackers said:
No - if I were able to prevent a rape, I would.
Yahweh is able to prevent all rapes, but does not.

Somebody who watches thousands of rapes that he is able to prevent? You bet.

If a serial murderer evades prison their entire life, but repents at some point before they die, they swerve not only earthly punishment, but celestial punishment as well - yes?
Just?
While any sincere atheists they happened to kill, go to hell.
Just?

Of course you would short-stroke any criticisms of the Chrisitian paradigm as hatred of its god - that's the easy way out.

I don't hate your god; I don't believe he exists. What I hate is the excuses believers make for him.
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You know enough for God to justify your condemnation and eternal banishment from His presence. You are "without excuse" for your unbelief.

I urge you to repent and submit to Jesus Christ or YOU WILL PERISH ...
 
Eightcrackers

Eightcrackers

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Lucian said:
Great: so being as you're not all powerful, I'm right that you wouldn't prevent a rape from happening if you knew that in doing so hundreds more would certainly occur. So, that means you are committed to the idea that it's possibly permissible to allow a rape to occur.
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Unless you are all-powerful.
Lucian said:
Evidently, if God exists, then he permits rapes to occur, and it's your view that since he could not possess (good) reasons to permit this, he doesn't exist.
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No, that is not my position at all.
My position is that such a god should not be considered good unless his reasons for doing so are

1. known, and
2. sufficient.
Lucian said:
But I'm asking you how you've determined that he could not have these.
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I haven't.
But unless these reasons are known and sufficient, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Would "I have my reasons" be enough for you if a human did it? I doubt it.
Why would they be enough for me when a god does it?
 
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Lucian

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Eightcrackers said:
Unless you are all-powerful.

No, that is not my position at all.
My position is that such a god should not be considered good unless his reasons for doing so are

1. known, and
2. sufficient.

I haven't.
But unless these reasons are known and sufficient, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Would "I have my reasons" be enough for you if a human did it? I doubt it.
Why would they be enough for me when a god does it?
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I'm finding it pretty difficult to keep track of what you're arguing, especially when you refer to the 'benefit of the doubt'. But if you haven't determined that God could not have good reasons for permitting evil, then you don't appear to be posing the theist any problems.
 
Eightcrackers

Eightcrackers

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Lucian said:
I'm finding it pretty difficult to keep track of what you're arguing, especially when you refer to the 'benefit of the doubt'. But if you haven't determined that God could not have good reasons for permitting evil, then you don't appear to be posing the theist any problems.
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The theist thinks that their god is good, despite the fact that it could prevent all rapes.

They give this god the benefit of the doubt ("he has his reasons, even if I don't know what they are") where they would not do the same for a similarly indifferent human being - that is my objection: the double standard.
 
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Howie

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Eightcrackers said:
The theist thinks that their god is good, despite the fact that it could prevent all rapes.

They give this god the benefit of the doubt ("he has his reasons, even if I don't know what they are") where they would not do the same for a similarly indifferent human being - that is my objection: the double standard.
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Presently, that objection has you on the road to an eternal separation from God. I urge you, and all CARM atheists, to repent of your sin and submit to Jesus Christ or you will perish.
 
Leatherneck0311

Leatherneck0311

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Eightcrackers said:
He knew in advance that they would.
That would be like my "testing" my four-year-old daughter to see if she can lift a Lincoln Continental over her head.

Destroyed, then - whatever term applies that amounts to "made not to exist any more".
(Or, better yet, don't create in the first place beings that you know will rebel and wreck your future relationship with humans.)

Prolonging in a war that you can win in an instant - with literally no effort - is idiotic.

Then he is not all-knowing, is he?

How is it a risk for him?
We are the ones that end up in hell if it goes wrong.

I find the god of the Bible to be somewhat offensive, certainly.

I have yet to have a Christian explain to me why I should find Satan offensive, given that the only crime they can point to is opposing Yahweh.
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Satan opposing his creator and Him who provided his very existence and care rebelled against all he knew to be good and holy which earned him the names father of lies,murder,thief,and he who opposed all that is holy and good. If you don’t find Satan offensive it is only because you are deceived and or willingly complicit. Those who love their sin more than God generally end up denying God’s existence and the coming day when they will stand before God’s judgement,but you are wrong in the end everyone answers to God wether they believe in Him or not.
 
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