SavedByTheLord
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Sorry. I posted in the wrong forum.
I have moved it to Ariminianism vs Calvinism
I have moved it to Ariminianism vs Calvinism
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Satan is the god of this present evil world. Why do some Calvinists think it is God. The lower case god is Satan, not God.
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Theo1689
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SavedByTheLord
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So when is says in 2 Cor 4:4 "the god of this world", it is Satan that is referred to by "god" according to Calvinists.
Great,
Theo1689
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You obviously have GREAT deal of difficulty understanding basic concepts.
NO CALVINIST says, '2 Cor. 4:4 is about Satan, but it's also about God".
NO CALVINIST says "Satan is God".
NONE
You need to repent of bearing false witness.
REPENT.
SavedByTheLord
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So 2 Cor 4:4 when it says "the god of this world" you believe that phrase refers to God?
Your fallen angel is not the god of this world. The context doesn’t warrant such an interpretation. You haven’t even proven Satan is to be taken for a proper name, rather than an adjective.
Look at the following:
Rom. 11:8
2 Cor. 3:14
1 John 2:11
Eph 4:18 - Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Look at the following:
Rom. 11:8
2 Cor. 3:14
1 John 2:11
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Theo1689
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You keep being confused, and CHANGING the subject.
I believe when Scripture refers to "god", it means "god".
Not "Satan".
Not "the devil".
I HAVE NOT EVER believed, NOR do I believe, that "Satan is God".
The fact that YOU do not understand Scripture, and YOU falsely claim that 2 Cor. 4:4 refers to "Satan" (there is NOTHING in the context to suggest that), does NOT mean that I believe that Satan is God.
Becasue YOUR false belief is NOT truth.
You don't seem to understand that.
Because you seem to think you're perfect and inerrant and infallible.
I do NOT beileve that Satan is God.
I never have.
You are bearing false witness.
YOU.
NEED.
TO.
REPENT.
Of course there is. Satan is the god of this age. The whole world is under his control (1 John 5:19). The power and glory of the kingdoms of the world were delivered to him when Adam sinned (Luke 4:5-6).
Theo1689
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So YOU are the one calling God, "Satan"!
Do you not realize how incredibly blasphemous that is!
May God have mercy on your soul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.
Satan is the god of this age, he is not God.
I'm pretty sure you knew that's what I meant, but needed something to accuse me of.
He does every day.
Theo1689
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That's simply not true.
NOTHING in 2 Cor. 4 references "Satan" in any way, shape, or form.
You are correct.
Satan is not God.
My mistake, I thought I was resonding to SbtL again.
But if you think that 2 Cor. 4:4 is about Satan, then YOU are the one making Satan God, not me.
Stop being so presumptuous.
God doesn't take kindly to you interpreting references to Him as referring to Satan.
Satan is the one who blinds people who do not believe. God wants everyone to be saved.
Whew...
No prob. It happens...
I am not making Satan God.
2 Cor 4:4 is not a reference to God.
Theo1689
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Satan is incapable of doing anything outside of God's permission.
Yes, I believe we've already gone over this point of ignorance of yours.
God clearly does not want everyone to be saved, otherwise everyone WOULD be saved.
But you deny God's omnipotence, so you can have an excuse for God's will being denied.
2 Cor. 4:4 is about "theos" ("god"), not "satanos" ("Satan").
So yes, when you claim 2 Cor. 4:4 is about Satan, you are indeed making God Satan.
And you are putting your soul at entire risk.
So what does "theos" mean?
Would it surprise you to know that Scripture NEVER refers to Satan as "theos"?
That's false. He did not have permission to sin. He did it anyway.
1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
No. He gave His created beings free will.
While you make God responsible for all the evil in the world.
Right. It says "the god (theos) of this age." Who is the god of this age? 1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-6. Plus, look around you. Watch the news. Who does it seem like is running things, God or the devil?
No I'm not.
I'm saved.
θεός theós, theh'-os
of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with G3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very:—× exceeding, God, god(-ly, -ward).
See 2 Cor 4:4.
Theo1689
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<sigh>
Why do you feel the need to argue over every little thing?
Okay... Chapter and verse that says, "Satan did not have permission to sin".
Asked and answered.
You don't like the answer?
Not my problem.
Please stop harassing me.
Another unBiblical claim by you.
So you deny:
Gen. 50:20;
Isa. 10:5-7;
Acts 4:27-28;
Isa. 45:7;
Eccl. 7:13.
1John 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
Luke 4:5 And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, 6 and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will.
Neither of these passages teach that Satan is "the god of this age".
So kindly stop harassing me.
So now you're rejecting sola Scriptura?
Thank you for admitting defeat.
Now kindly stop harassing me.
Not a valid argument.
Now kindly stop harassing me.
Yeah, you go ahead and believe that.
No skin off my nose.
You give no source.
So I have no valid reason to accept it.
Now kindly stop harassing me, okay?
Sure, Theo. I know these things are difficult. I'll leave you to ponder things for a while.
Theo1689
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Wow...
I ask you kindly to stop harassing me, and so what do you do, you continue respond to me, this time with some worthless trash talk, to which I respond, kindly grow up.
If you find these things "difficult" (and obviously you do), then that is YOUR problem, not mine. IN find it very straightforward, which is why I have no patience to continue resopnding to your nonsense while you continue to ignore the Bible.
I don't.
Getting in a little "trash talk" of your own?
It's not nonsense, and I do not ignore the Bible.
You don't want me to respond? Stop responding to me. Easy peasy.
Wrong. It is the LORD who blinds. You won’t find any scripture that says Satan blinds anyone.
For one who knows exactly what logos means in John 1, the meaning of theos in 2 Cor 4 shouldnt be such a stumbling block for you.
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2 Cor 4:4 and
2 Tim 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
It's not. The theos in 2 Cor 4:4 is the devil.