Saved by--what???

dberrie2020

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Romans 2:13 is 100% true
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

the issue is that no one has!! NONE, ZERO, Zilch

Romans 3
10 There is no one righteous, not even one;
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law
30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith

That's an OT reference--under the Mosaic Law:

Psalm 53:1-4---King James Version
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

Here is the NT declaration:

1 John 3:7--King James Version
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

That's the "works of the law"(Mosaic Law) verses the gospel of Jesus Christ--as Paul maintains above.
 

1Thess521

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All are declared to have "justification of life"--due to the Atonement and resurrection of Jesus Christ.(death and hell conquered, as to the Fall)

Romans 5:18---King James Version
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

IOW--all men have been absolved from the condemnation of the Fall(justified)--and are now born saved. We then answer for our own choices--when we become accountable before God.

After we become accountable--we are judged according to our own choices:

Matthew 16:27---King James Version
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Those who walk in the light--receive of His Blood unto the remission of sins:(justified, as to our personal sins)

1 John 1:7---King James Version
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
i have clearly used the the Biblical definition of justification to mean to be declared righteous by God: is that the definition you are using?
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
Romans 2:13 is 100% true
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

the issue is that no one has!! NONE, ZERO, Zilch

Romans 3
10 There is no one righteous, not even one;
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law
30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith

That's an OT reference--under the Mosaic Law:

Psalm 53:1-4---King James Version
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

Here is the NT declaration:

1 John 3:7--King James Version
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

That's the "works of the law"(Mosaic Law) verses the gospel of Jesus Christ--as Paul maintains above.
 
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