Our Lord's God
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How did you come to that conclusion?I guess no one does the work of God accordingly to your paradigm.
How did you come to that conclusion?I guess no one does the work of God accordingly to your paradigm.
Here's what you need to know about works.
There is NOTHING you need to do.
There is nothing YOU need to do.
There is nothing you NEED to do.
There is nothing you need to DO.
Hi DB,Here is my question for Lutherans--are works integral to "saving faith"?
I think others have answered this sufficiently, but you didn't seem to understand, so let me state this for the record:Here is my question for Lutherans--are works integral to "saving faith"?
I support your right to believe that.Believers were created in Christ Jesus to do good works God prepares. Yes, you need to do them. Yes, you need to obey God.
I support your right to believe that.
However, it is not a Scriptural belief, and I respectfully disagree with it.
Saying that we are not saved by good works does not imply that we should avoid doing good works. I'm not sure where you got the idea that Lutherans believe that.
Can we do the will of the Father outside of salvation?You don't do God's works, you won't be saved. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom. Ephesians 2:8-10 tells you that a man is saved from his old way of life to live a new life doing God's works rather than his own and doing God's works is doing the will of the Father. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom and His will is everything Jesus taught his disciples.
How is this good news? Sounds like get your act together or you're in big trouble theology.You don't do God's works, you won't be saved. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom. Ephesians 2:8-10 tells you that a man is saved from his old way of life to live a new life doing God's works rather than his own and doing God's works is doing the will of the Father. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom and His will is everything Jesus taught his disciples.
We do the will of the Father to be saved on the last day. No one but those who do the will of the Father will be enter the Kingdom of God. "Why do you call me "Lord, Lord" and not do what I say?Can we do the will of the Father outside of salvation?
Do we do the will of the Father to GET salvation?
OR do we do the will of the Father BECAUSE we saved?
Does "doing the will of the Father" include or exclude sin? Do you sin?We do the will of the Father to be saved on the last day. No one but those who do the will of the Father will be enter the Kingdom of God. "Why do you call me "Lord, Lord" and not do what I say?
Our God is the true God--Father, ,Son, and Holy Spirit, the great Three in One.How did you come to that conclusion?
You don't do God's works, you won't be saved. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom. Ephesians 2:8-10 tells you that a man is saved from his old way of life to live a new life doing God's works rather than his own and doing God's works is doing the will of the Father. Only those who do the will of the Father will enter the Kingdom and His will is everything Jesus taught his disciples.
Again, you have the right to believe that.
I don't interpret Eph 2:8-10 the way you do.
And I don't think it's right or proper for any human to usurp God's job. God should be the only one doing God's work. We should be doing OUR work, not God's.
God's job is to save people. Our job is to serve people. Two very different things.
Taking scripture out of context isn't helpful.We do the will of the Father to be saved on the last day. No one but those who do the will of the Father will be enter the Kingdom of God. "Why do you call me "Lord, Lord" and not do what I say?
Taking scripture out of context isn't helpful.
Since you didn't cite a passage I will use one from the nt, from Luke 6. The context is not salvation by your works.
It was already explained so prove by what it actually says that people are saved by their works.Oh do tell how this was "out of context."
Jesus said if you do not do the will of the Father then you will not enter the Kingdom. Everything he had just taught in the Sermon on the Mount is the will of the Father. "My teaching is not mine but His who sent me" (John 7:16).
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.’ 24 “THEREFORE everyone who hears these words of mine and does them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”
Why do you call me "Lord, Lord" and not do what I say?
It was already explained so prove by what it actually says that people are saved by their works.