SCC v. COJCOLDS Settlement agreement

[Markk]

Tell me why we or anyone should believe your sources? chuckle.

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Because it is public knowledge, based on the 13f forums filled out correctly after they were forced to do so...and because I already pasted the link that you obviously did not look at, so here it is again.

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I mis-read the 13f... but does not change the fact that the church owns 7.74 million shares of Microsoft stock...which per your paste above, they have around 3 billion dollars' worth of stock in Microsoft. If I am reading it correctly the churches portfolio is almost 5% invested in Microsoft stock.

So, the corporation of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints is heavily invested in Microsoft, and by default Bill Gates.

So, are you okay with them investing in Microsoft?

 

[Markk]

What are you talking about Markk, not only is tithing to help the sick and afflicted (poor) but personal service by each member is number one in love thy neighbor. Giving tithing is easy, but actually giving of yourself to help others is much more charitable and a act of true love, Christ like Love.



I personally think visiting the sick, the poor and loving thy neighbor exceeds any gift or contributions from the general account of the Church.

Matt 25
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

So, doesn't that say to cloth the naked, give the hungry food, and the thirsty drink?

So, if someone is sick and dying, and you have the potential to give the medical help...you believe you should just visit them without offering them medical help?

You sure left out a lot of contexts to the passages...why don't you paste the whole passages in context.

When I see this kind of blatant gaslighting being forced on you, it is exactly why people believe the church is a cult, and rightly so.

It is not the Church of Jesus Christ, it is the Church of Wall Street.

 

[Erundur]

LOL...do you really want to go there? The church currently owns about 7.4 million shares of Microsoft was valued at $2,231.88 a share per their last 13f filing. The hypocrisy has no limits here. The church is a Major Partner and Owner of Microsoft.

Is the exaggeration necessary? 7.74M shares is about 0.1% of the total outstanding shares. You can see the "Major Partner(s) and Owner(s) of Microsoft" here:

Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Stock Major Holders - Yahoo Finance

Find out the direct holders, institutional holders and mutual fund holders for Microsoft Corporation (MSFT).

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Magdalena]

LIs the exaggeration necessary? 7.74M shares is about 0.1% of the total outstanding shares. You can see the "Major Partner(s) and Owner(s) of Microsoft" here:

Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Stock Major Holders - Yahoo Finance

Find out the direct holders, institutional holders and mutual fund holders for Microsoft Corporation (MSFT).

finance.yahoo.com

I don't see any other churches on the list. Would you say that’s a large investment for a church?

 

[Markk]

Is the exaggeration necessary? 7.74M shares is about 0.1% of the total outstanding shares. You can see the "Major Partner(s) and Owner(s) of Microsoft" here:

Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Stock Major Holders - Yahoo Finance

Find out the direct holders, institutional holders and mutual fund holders for Microsoft Corporation (MSFT).

finance.yahoo.com

It is almost 5% of the church's portfolio. 7.74 million share is major IMO, and as stock holders, the are owners. It is not an exaggeration in context of what Ralf wrote about the church only giving 900 million to charity, while Bill Gates gave 15 billion. And, basically that it did not count as an example, because they and another foundation gave money to China universities. Just another excuse of their lying and cheating.

The fact remains that Gates gave 15 million to charities, and the gave just under a billion...only because of outside pressures. Context is everything.

 

[Erundur]

I don't see any other churches on the list. Would you say that’s a large investment for a church?

The issue is not whether it is a large investment for a church. The issue is whether the Church is a "Major Partner and Owner" with its 0.1% stake.

 

[Richard7]

Because it is public knowledge, based on the 13f forums filled out correctly after they were forced to do so...and because I already pasted the link that you obviously did not look at, so here it is again.

Ensign Peak Advisors, Inc Portfolio Holdings

Ensign Peak Advisors, Inc Portfolio Holdings

fintel.io

I mis-read the 13f... but does not change the fact that the church owns 7.74 million shares of Microsoft stock...which per your paste above, they have around 3 billion dollars' worth of stock in Microsoft. If I am reading it correctly the churches portfolio is almost 5% invested in Microsoft stock.

And how is this bad? and who benefits? and who is getting rich from these billions in savings? Questions you can't answer since you're so fixated on the accounting mistakes.

So, the corporation of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints is heavily invested in Microsoft, and by default Bill Gates.

So, are you okay with them investing in Microsoft?

Why? are they into drugs, porno, etc, are we or they responsible for what people do in their homes. I owned Apple for many years and did very well, is that a sin? Your really striking out good buddy, you have not shown why investing is not good for any corporation or retirement fund.

 

[Erundur]

It is almost 5% of the church's portfolio.

That's like saying that if I own one share of Microsoft and nothing else, I'm a Major Partner and Owner because it's 100% of my portfolio. It's a wild exaggeration, IMO.

 

[Richard7]

So, doesn't that say to cloth the naked, give the hungry food, and the thirsty drink?

Where is it stating it has to come from the Storehouse Markk. Charity is the love of Christ, you have to decide where our charity begins and ends. You are so predictable Markk and one dimensional.

So, if someone is sick and dying, and you have the potential to give the medical help...you believe you should just visit them without offering them medical help?

Silly question. I can only do what is possible for me. Markk, as of today you can help by going to the homeless and extending yourself by giving of yourself and your means, are you willing to do that? The poor will always be with us...

You sure left out a lot of contexts to the passages...why don't you paste the whole passages in context.

Add what you feel completes the context Markk, go ahead show me how I am not reading the context as to its stated purpose. You won't because you hardly ever answer my questions.

When I see this kind of blatant gaslighting being forced on you, it is exactly why people believe the church is a cult, and rightly so.

It is not the Church of Jesus Christ, it is the Church of Wall Street.

Yes, there are those right now leaving the Church who would agree with you, how many I don't know, but I would guess many.
You would never understand my testimony Markk, most likely you would say I was only having a subjective experience and was listening to a false spirit. But you did not experience it and I did...

 

[Richard7]

I don't see any other churches on the list. Would you say that’s a large investment for a church?

Large or smart?... chuckle.

 

[Markk]

The issue is not whether it is a large investment for a church. The issue is whether the Church is a "Major Partner and Owner" with its 0.1% stake.

2-3 billion dollars is not major to you? Maybe that is the issue.

 

[Markk]

Where is it stating it has to come from the Storehouse Markk. Charity is the love of Christ, you have to decide where our charity begins and ends. You are so predictable Markk and one dimensional.

HUH?

Ralf where does it say it does not? What are you talking about. You misquoted a Bible passage in totality, that is the discussion here. Stay in context. Address the passages you partially quoted.

 

[Richard7]

2-3 billion dollars is not major to you? Maybe that is the issue.

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[Richard7]

HUH?

Ralf where does it say it does not? What are you talking about. You misquoted a Bible passage in totality, that is the discussion here. Stay in context. Address the passages you partially quoted.

Chuckle, there is not wa fast offerings are going to any more then help the sick and afflicked in each ward, there is not enought money to build Bishops Storehouse and all its assests such as refrigeration, fresh food and new truck that deliver to the Ward Building... I know becasue every other thurs I meet the truck and help unload all the food and help get it to the sick and afflicted, you know nothing.

 

[Magdalena]

The issue is not whether it is a large investment for a church. The issue is whether the Church is a "Major Partner and Owner" with its 0.1% stake.

I’d say the issue is what a church is doing with that much money in the first place, and then playing the stock market with it.

 

[Richard7]

I’d say the issue is what a church is doing with that much money in the first place, and then playing the stock market with it.

With the Lords pouring out blessing the Kingdom surely is doing it right... are you resentful of God's Kingdom and Storehouse doing do well. 300 temples will soon be the total amount and all paid for before using... chuckle.

 

[Magdalena]

With the Lords pouring out blessing the Kingdom surely is doing it right... are you resentful of God's Kingdom and Storehouse doing do well. 300 temples will soon be the total amount and all paid for before using... chuckle.

300 whited sepulchers is not my idea of doing God’s work. And it actually makes me nauseous, thinking of how much suffering could have been alleviated with all that money. That doesn’t even include the $150 billion sitting in hiding for 30 years.

 

[Aaron32]

Ralf, you are being used by sites like BoM central...they post this stuff knowing people like you, good people and members that need the church to work in their lives, but buy this nonsense hook, line and sinker. RALF, the church signed a plea bargain that they have been lying for 20 years, hiding this from the membership, government and general public. You can't defend this, they lied, on purpose and habitually, each quarter for over 20 years.

My point is that the 15 men in charge of the church are chosen for their business Savey, or in Gongs case international relations. Eyring and Oaks are lawyers...overseeing a monetary corporation. You said the preach the Gospel...when twice a year with a talk written by aids?

Break out your tinfoil hats people.

I will continue going through the plea agreement tomorrow. I suggest, in reverse, of what John Wayne said to his son in Big Jake, that you be long on ears, and short on mouth here, until you understand the gravity of the situation. Stop pretending you know what the implications are, because you don't.

Oh yes, Markk, please DO explain how you can mutually speak knowledgeably while also claiming your getting the information "real time", while parroting the talking points from your sources. Please stop with the condescension. If you're correct, we'll see it "implications" play out.

 

[Markk]

Break out your tinfoil hats people.

Oh yes, Markk, please DO explain how you can mutually speak knowledgeably while also claiming your getting the information "real time", while parroting the talking points from your sources. Please stop with the condescension. If you're correct, we'll see it "implications" play out.

Are you saying the church did not enter into and execute a plea agreement?

The information is a click away Aaron. At EPA, according to Harris, the #1 concern was stealth. That is why the church lied on the 13f forms.

Now that they have to fill out the forms correctly, each quarter, one can follow the movement of the portfolio.

this is just one link of many when you google EPA

Ensign Peak Advisors Portfolio | Ensign Peak Advisors Inc 13F Holdings & Trades

Heatmaps of the top 13f holdings and a list of the largest trades made by Ensign Peak Advisors, the hedge fund managed by Ensign Peak Advisors Inc.

hedgefollow.com

 

[Richard7]

300 whited sepulchers is not my idea of doing God’s work. And it actually makes me nauseous, thinking of how much suffering could have been alleviated with all that money. That doesn’t even include the $150 billion sitting in hiding for 30 years.

Well I agree there is a lot of suffering and poor. But the fact is we first believe in self relaince and not enabling. We teach self reliance while we give them aid until they can do for themselves..... If we did it your way, the suffering would continue and people would not want to help themselves. Give a man a fish and he can live for a day, teach a man to fish and he can provide for himself and his family forever...