Science Confirms 10 Plagues of Egypt Happened

Hark

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The point of the article is that there are verses in the Bible that refute the Exodus.

Here, after listing the descendants of Ephraim’s first son Shuthelah, he relates a folktale about Ephraim’s second and third sons¹, named Ezer and Elead, who “go down” to Gath one day — that is, they descend from the hill country of Ephraim to the coastal plain of Gath — in order to steal the Gittites’ cattle. Some locals catch them in the act, and they are executed for their crimes. Ephraim, their father, mourns them for many days, and when his wife bears him another son sometime later, the child is given the name “Beriah” (which resembles the Hebrew word for “evil”) to remind the family of their loss. Such folk etymologies are common in Bible stories, though rarely (if ever) true. Beriah’s daughter Sheerah must have been a remarkable woman, for she founds three Ephraimite cities. Even more significantly, the national hero Joshua is born nine generations later, Beriah’s direct descendant (v. 27).
Whatever the Chronicler’s sources, he is giving a version of Ephraim’s history in which the sojourn in Egypt and the exodus never took place! This is not the Ephraim who was born to Joseph in Egypt (Gen 41:52), and whose descendants spent 400 years in Egypt and another 40 in the wilderness before conquering the land of Ephraim². Although Chronicles is usually seen as a late work, this tradition seems to pre-date the canonical Pentateuch, portraying Ephraim and his immediate family as indigenous settlers of the land named after him³
Numbers 26:35 These are the sons of Ephraim after their families: of Shuthelah, the family of the Shuthalhites: of Becher, the family of the Bachrites: of Tahan, the family of the Tahanites.

1 Chronicles 7:20 And the sons of Ephraim; Shuthelah, and Bered his son, and Tahath his son, and Eladah his son, and Tahath his son, 21 And Zabad his son, and Shuthelah his son, and Ezer, and Elead, whom the men of Gath that were born in that land slew, because they came down to take away their cattle. 22 And Ephraim their father mourned many days, and his brethren came to comfort him.

As you stated, the Chronicles is a late work, and the reading is discordant. Ephraim has only one brother, Manasseh.

It was the sons of Shuthelah, Ezer & Elead that were killed. Seeing how Shethelah has many brothers, I believe the verse got cross eyed in the copying when it should have read this way.

1 Chronicles 7:20 And the sons of Ephraim; Shuthelah, and Bered his son, and Tahath his son, and Eladah his son, and Tahath his son, 21 And Zabad his son, and Shuthelah his son, and Ezer, and Elead, whom the men of Gath that were born in that land slew, because they came down to take away their cattle. 22 And Shuthelah their father mourned many days, and his brethren came to comfort him.

Obviously Ephraim was not in the promised land nor part of the Exodus.

That is the only answer I can give you. Human shortcoming in copying the scripture.

I do point out that there are plenty of other sources testifying to Hebrew slaves in Egypt other than the article I had referred to earlier.

Were Hebrews Ever Slaves in Ancient Egypt? Yes


And the OP testified that the 10 plagues did happen and yet it was recorded in the Bible also which lends to the Exodus..

You might find the ruins of Jericho interesting regarding where Rahab had lived on the North wall that was spared the collapsed.

Is the Bible accurate concerning the existence and destruction of the walls of Jericho?
 

J regia

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How about stop with the conjectures and look for the evidence?
And how did Moses supply his three million or so relatives with 3000 tonnes of food per day and three megalitres of drinking water per day during the weeks that it took them to wander across the Red Sea?

Or is that story just an imaginative fantasy with no credibility and no evidence?
 

Mr Laurier

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Let us suppose the plagues happened, which I think is plausible, why should I believe they were sent by God or that Moses predicted them?

Far more likely that they did happen and some Jewish writer incorporated them into his story, and just made Moses up.


How many wheels have been found? The link is vague; it could be thousands, which would be significant, it could be two, which would not.

Ron Wyatt and his team have found the remains of chariot parts, chariot wheels & skeletal parts of horses and men, ALL CEMENTED IN CORAL. Because of this, it is difficult, if not impossible, to extricate them without destroying them.
Ron Wyatt did extract the hub of a wheel with parts of 8 spokes attached and presented it to the Egyptian authority. This was sufficient for Mr. Nassif Mohammed Hassan to identify the dynasty from which the wheel came.
To date, the chariot parts have never been found in the Red Sea anywhere, except this site!
Ron Wyatt. Professional liar and con man.
 

cjab

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The Santorini eruption theory as the primary causes of all the plagues in Egypt was first advanced by Graham Phillips (Author) in The Moses Legacy: The Evidence of History, 2003 and in The Atlantis and the Ten Plagues of Egypt: The Secret History Hidden in the Valley of the Kings, 2003. So hardly new.

David Rohl also his own alternative theories for the plagues and plenty of evidence for the Hebrews in Egypt (E.g. The Lost Testament: From Eden to Exile The Five-Thousand-Year History Of The People Of The Bible, 17 Oct. 2002).

To suggest that only now has "scientific evidence" been adduced is perverse. Moreover most believing biblical scholars reject the Exodus as occuring during the reign of Ramses II, but allow that it ocurred much earlier that his reign. He was such a powerful ruler that it couldn't possibly have occured during his reign, and it isn't compatible with archaeology either.

Here is one www site that has lots of useful info.

Also, "scientific evidence" suggests that the Santorini eruption didn't happen during the reign of Ramses II but hundreds of years earlier, as even the article cited by the OP suggests, which makes no attempt to correlate the date of the Santorini eruption at least 3500 years ago with the posited dates of the reign of Ramses II in the 13th century BC or even later by alternative chronological dating (see Rohl).

So a rubbish article.
 

evoguy313

Active member
Can you say the same for your beliefs about the evolution theory?
Kind of a non-sequitur, but as I have been on forums like this off and on for about 25 years, I can virtually guarantee that the majority of evolution acceptors have indeed studied the subject, whereas the majority of creationists simply accept YEC claims at face value.
 

evoguy313

Active member
It is amazing that you believe in the evolution theory as you do without actually observing the phenomenon of macroevolution in the natural world.
I see that you made this claim before it was shown to you that you were misrepresenting the concept.
 
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