Scripture as the Definitive Guide

If the Roman Catholic Church considers Holy Scripture as its definitive guide, as it proclaims it does, then why has the Roman Catholic Church traditionally discouraged Roman Catholics from reading the Bible?
I'm not so sure the bible is the definitive guide. Even the ccc says its one of three legs of this mystical stool. I'm sure theres a joke in there somewhere...

CCC 95 "It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.

All false religions have to include God in all of their perversions. Aint gonna be pretty on judgement day. People in the rcc, as we see here daily aren't so interested in following the bible but their church.
 
I'm not so sure the bible is the definitive guide. Even the ccc says its one of three legs of this mystical stool. I'm sure theres a joke in there somewhere...
The horrid "joke" is that while the RCC claims that the Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium cannot stand alone, in practice both Scripture and Tradition must be "properly interpreted" by the Magisterium. Ergo, the three legs of the stool (as some have described it) are in reality only one leg. The Magisterium. A horrid, conscienceless "joke", indeed.
 
If the Roman Catholic Church considers Holy Scripture as its definitive guide, as it proclaims it does, then why has the Roman Catholic Church traditionally discouraged Roman Catholics from reading the Bible?
The Church didn't.

What the Church DID do is forbid reading the Scriptures when there were bad translations out that heretics were using to advance heresy. Once the problems died down, the Church lifted the ban.

The Church also banned the reading of Scripture during the Protestant reformation becasue Protestantism was spreading like a cancer. The Church say the fruits of Sola Scriptura--which was division, division, division---and banned the reading of Scripture becasue the Church didn't want this to happen in Catholicism. Was that effective? That is debatable. The POINT is WHY the Church banned the reading of Scripture.

This fear was present right up until Vatican II. However, after Vatican II, the Church moved on from the Protestant Reformation, made her peace with Protestantism and encouraged Catholics to read the Bible.
 
The Church didn't.

What the Church DID do is forbid reading the Scriptures when there were bad translations out that heretics were using to advance heresy. Once the problems died down, the Church lifted the ban.

The Church also banned the reading of Scripture during the Protestant reformation becasue Protestantism was spreading like a cancer. The Church say the fruits of Sola Scriptura--which was division, division, division---and banned the reading of Scripture becasue the Church didn't want this to happen in Catholicism. Was that effective? That is debatable. The POINT is WHY the Church banned the reading of Scripture.

This fear was present right up until Vatican II. However, after Vatican II, the Church moved on from the Protestant Reformation, made her peace with Protestantism and encouraged Catholics to read the Bible.
The RC cover up.
 
If the Roman Catholic Church considers Holy Scripture as its definitive guide, as it proclaims it does, then why has the Roman Catholic Church traditionally discouraged Roman Catholics from reading the Bible?
Catholic: "All Catholic beliefs are found in the Bible! Why, you wouldn't even have the Bible if it wasn't for us!"

Christian: "OK. Where is ___ in the Bible?"

Catholic: "Not everything we believe has to be in the Bible! Jesus said He was leaving us a church, not a book!"

Catholicism is a foolish religion for foolish people.
 
Catholic: "All Catholic beliefs are found in the Bible! Why, you wouldn't even have the Bible if it wasn't for us!"

Christian: "OK. Where is ___ in the Bible?"

Catholic: "Not everything we believe has to be in the Bible! Jesus said He was leaving us a church, not a book!"

Catholicism is a foolish religion for foolish people.
Not everything in the bible is true.
The bible contains errors.
The words don't mean what they mean, they mean something else.
Small words like all, to, for throw RCs completely.
It is only the original writings that are inspired.

I have found this type of thinking from the RC posts and school.
 
Catholic: "All Catholic beliefs are found in the Bible! Why, you wouldn't even have the Bible if it wasn't for us!"

Christian: "OK. Where is ___ in the Bible?"

Catholic: "Not everything we believe has to be in the Bible! Jesus said He was leaving us a church, not a book!"

Catholicism is a foolish religion for foolish people.
The RCC foolishly likes to claim that only at certain times and in certain places, after the Reformation broke out in 16th-century Europe - that Roman Catholics were discouraged from reading the Bible. (Before that time, Gutenberg had not invented the printing press and Bibles were scarce, and many Roman Catholics didn't know how to read anyway they boldly claimed). Truth be known, that after the Reformation, many Roman Catholic bishops and pastors feared that if their uneducated people read the Bible privately, they would misinterpret it and twist it "to their own destruction." During this time also, many Roman Catholics, with help from the RCC, learned to develop a distrust of that "Protestant" book known as the HOLY BIBLE.
 
The Church didn't.
Oh but it did Joe.
What the Church DID do is forbid reading the Scriptures when there were bad translations out that heretics were using to advance heresy. Once the problems died down, the Church lifted the ban.
There is so much evidence to the contrary... pope Damasus during the first Council of Constantinople 381-3 banning the Bible and the laity strictly forbidden to read the word of God.. (The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford,1833-45)
the Council of Toulouse, Council of Trent. The Index of Forbidden Books.. which wasn't lifted until Vat 2. There is much more.
It wasn't just because of bad translations either. There is much much more, and I know I can be long winded. But if we need to, I will bring it to light.
The Church also banned the reading of Scripture during the Protestant reformation becasue Protestantism was spreading like a cancer.
Why would they do such a horrible thing...hold back to Word of God...hold the truth back in unrighteousness. The truth can defend itself. Unless one fears it?
The Church say the fruits of Sola Scriptura--which was division, division, division---and banned the reading of Scripture becasue the Church didn't want this to happen in Catholicism.
Oh, they didn't want the clear Word of God exposing their errors. Their control over illiterate and simple people would indeed cease, and cause division, and departure in groves.
Was that effective? That is debatable. The POINT is WHY the Church banned the reading of Scripture.
The whole Reformation was over the fact that true interpretation of the Scriptures had caught up and exposed the RCC as untruthful. Through the school of Historicism, it was revealed that only one Religio/Politico organization fit the bill of being in existence for over a thousand years. That is only one selling point, but a biggie.
This fear was present right up until Vatican II. However, after Vatican II, the Church moved on from the Protestant Reformation, made her peace with Protestantism and encouraged Catholics to read the Bible.
The RCC has never made peace with those who oppose her. Even this site is a perfect example of that. She will do everything in her power to confuse the masses that she is not the fulfillment of the little horn...even commission her minions (Ribera, Alcazar, Bellermine) to concoct false schools of interpretation (Preterism, Futurism) to throw off the scent. These schools of thought took off (Preterism at first, then died quickly) and for the last few centuries.. Futurism and its ilk Irving, McDonald, Darby, Scofield, etc. have prevailed.
But make no mistake... the RCC commissioned these people to deflect truth, but she does NOT stand behind either one of them! Anything to throw off the scent!! She does not want peace, she wants another big opportunity to control the masses. I will be praying for you my friend. Blessings, WilliamC
 
Great post William!

Romish's own personal statements choose to support the Roman Catholic Church's position which teaches and believes that the Holy Bible has a lot of "worms" in it - meaning that a person will read, hear and perceive exactly what they want based upon many of they or their 'church's' own values, beliefs, prejudices and personal history.
 
The whole Reformation was over the fact that true interpretation of the Scriptures had caught up and exposed the RCC as untruthful.
The true interpretation of Scripture?

Implicit in the claim that the whole Reformation was over the "true" interpretation of Scripture is the following:

1) There is an objective standard when it comes to interpretation of the Scripture.

2) Catholics lack this objective standard

3) Protestants have this objective standard

4) This objective standard will yield the true and correct interpretation of Scripture.

Now my question: which Protestant sects has this objective and true interpretation of Scripture?
 
I believe, give the comments of RC's on this forum, their argumentation against our belief in grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone and not by any works as taught by God in His written, inerrant word, belies their insecurity in their works based religious salvation plan. They are incapable of understanding true grace and God's promises because their god has been created in their image, among other deities like their mary. They can't believe His grace is unmerited, nor freely given, and complete and all that is necessary for eternal life. Their yoke of works is displayed in their many, many arguments against His grace and the surety of salvation He has promised His children in the Bible.
 
Like hardened atheists, they know that if the do believe the Biblical gospel as preached in Scripture, that doing so requires change and a total surrender of their lives to Christ. For some people, pride is the hardest thing for them to let go of.
 
The true interpretation of Scripture?
At least when it comes to understanding points of prophecy...the Reformers used the interpretive school of Historicism.
Implicit in the claim that the whole Reformation was over the "true" interpretation of Scripture is the following:

1) There is an objective standard when it comes to interpretation of the Scripture.
It's called history. To understand prophecy, one has to use it to reveal the fulfillment of such.
2) Catholics lack this objective standard
The RCC want nothing to do with Historicism, that's why they solicited the services of certain individuals to discredit it. It's minions came up with two schools of interpretation Preterism and Futurism to counter Historicism. Its called the counter reformation. The RCC paid for these new views but never ever backed such. It doesn't matter that a lot of the Christians follow Futurism, as long as it puts in doubt that the RCC was the fulfillment of the Scriptures.
3) Protestants have this objective standard
Time after time, history has opened the prophecies, revealing the actions of an organization , that they are not the caring church of Jesus. The RCC wasn't that people, and God did not want them knowing that the were the fulfillment of such. One only has to look at the actions of such an organization, and see that if God had not protected the prophecies of Scriptures from them knowing, they would have tried to wipe them off the face of the earth to keep their control over the masses. They have used any means to keep the Scriptures out of the Christian,s hands all along. After the time of the Gentiles, 1260 yrs....the Holy Spirit would work with individuals to recover these hidden and protected truths.
4) This objective standard will yield the true and correct interpretation of Scripture.
Understanding how history works hand in hand with prophecy is God's intent on understanding prophecy.
Deut. 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously...
In other words, history has shown us, or come to pass, that the RCC is not who she claims to be, but is exposed in the Scriptures as false.
Now my question: which Protestant sects has this objective and true interpretation of Scripture?
The Scriptures tell us that the Holy Spirit will make known, the truths of Jesus....whatsoever He had said. The Reformation was the recovery of one truth at a time. And we are still recovering many truths. But, it is up to us to be receptive to all truth...and this is where many Christians fall short . I have seen it, and been a part of the problem at times... the rejection of knowing a truth because one was not willing, or receptive to accept it. Paul reiterates this in II Thess. 2:10,11. Those who are willing, and accept all truth when it comes will be a part of the remnant of her seed. The woman=God's people. Those who are not willing to be receptive will not be a part of His people. (remnant).
I will be your God, and you will be my people. (The New Covenant). Blessings!
 
Great post William!

Romish's own personal statements choose to support the Roman Catholic Church's position which teaches and believes that the Holy Bible has a lot of "worms" in it - meaning that a person will read, hear and perceive exactly what they want based upon many of they or their 'church's' own values, beliefs, prejudices and personal history.
How have you been my friend? It's been a couple of years. Blessings!
 
We know the scriptures are the word of God, therefore why would they not be our guide when learning, speaking, teaching spiritual truths. We have no other way of testing, discerning, judging whether something is from God or not. It does not mean everything is in scripture but it must align with scripture.

Making up myths/fairytales/so called traditions is going against scripture. If it adds to or goes beyond or takes away from scripture it does not align with God's word.
 
If the Roman Catholic Church considers Holy Scripture as its definitive guide, as it proclaims it does, then why has the Roman Catholic Church traditionally discouraged Roman Catholics from reading the Bible?

We wrote it. You merely adopted the bible, we were born in it, molded by it. edit per mod

I bet I could go through 150 verses and you folks would deny the verses. We'd love for you guys to actually believe the scriptures.

You guys could never say you wrote the bible or that you ever bind and loose. The church is just the church.

This weird idea we are now churches trying to put in a job application with God, nope the church is what it is, irregardless of whatever made up eclesiastic system you theorize.

Btw all one billion of us joined your congregation and we've voted you are wrong about christianity, point being doesn't matter how legit the church is or whatever council they hold you will remain your own pope.
 
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