Scripture as the Definitive Guide

Oh but it did Joe.

There is so much evidence to the contrary... pope Damasus during the first Council of Constantinople 381-3 banning the Bible and the laity strictly forbidden to read the word of God.. (The Library of the Fathers, Damasus, Oxford,1833-45)
the Council of Toulouse, Council of Trent. The Index of Forbidden Books.. which wasn't lifted until Vat 2. There is much more.
It wasn't just because of bad translations either. There is much much more, and I know I can be long winded. But if we need to, I will bring it to light.

Why would they do such a horrible thing...hold back to Word of God...hold the truth back in unrighteousness. The truth can defend itself. Unless one fears it?

Oh, they didn't want the clear Word of God exposing their errors. Their control over illiterate and simple people would indeed cease, and cause division, and departure in groves.

The whole Reformation was over the fact that true interpretation of the Scriptures had caught up and exposed the RCC as untruthful. Through the school of Historicism, it was revealed that only one Religio/Politico organization fit the bill of being in existence for over a thousand years. That is only one selling point, but a biggie.

The RCC has never made peace with those who oppose her. Even this site is a perfect example of that. She will do everything in her power to confuse the masses that she is not the fulfillment of the little horn...even commission her minions (Ribera, Alcazar, Bellermine) to concoct false schools of interpretation (Preterism, Futurism) to throw off the scent. These schools of thought took off (Preterism at first, then died quickly) and for the last few centuries.. Futurism and its ilk Irving, McDonald, Darby, Scofield, etc. have prevailed.
But make no mistake... the RCC commissioned these people to deflect truth, but she does NOT stand behind either one of them! Anything to throw off the scent!! She does not want peace, she wants another big opportunity to control the masses. I will be praying for you my friend. Blessings, WilliamC
The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Why should it make peace with error? No, it has been the Church and only the Church that has fought the great heresies.
And how do these heresies arise? By those who read something new in Scripture apart from Tradition and spread their errors to others.
 
The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
Exactly. But the Church props up the preexisting truths, God's word.
Ps. 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
Is. 40:8b ... but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Jn. 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I Pet. 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

They do not get to make up things and state that everyone must believe what the Church has declared. Even the Holy Spirit teaches all things, all truth, whatsoever Jesus had said. (Jn. 14:26 ; 15:26 ; 16:13,14) Jesus gave us His Words (17:8) And His Word is truth. (17:17)
Why should it make peace with error?
It can't... it is the error.
No, it has been the Church and only the Church that has fought the great heresies.
According to the tainted history of the RCC.
And how do these heresies arise?
By going against the Word of God. The RCC is not the Word of God.
By those who read something new in Scripture apart from Tradition and spread their errors to others.
In other words, "don't read God's Word... listen to the RCC's man made spins called tradition"?
The Scripture's helped to expose those man made traditions as apart from the Word of God. The Scriptures are the measuring stick. They don't change. Thus, the great effort to eradicate, or hold back the Scriptures from being studied and read.
 
The Bible belongs to Christ and His church! Not heretics and infidels
Christ is the word and the visible apostolic authority established by Christ produced the New Testament canon! The scripture is part of the churches witness to Christ! Acts 1:8

covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

It is impossible to reject the church or her teaching without rejecting Christ who founded the church and revealed her teaching! Lk 19:16 Jn 13:20

No offense to anyone reading this.
Well then the RCC was nothing, it is heretical and infidels. So you have nothing. Jesus church does not harm the sheep, the RCC harms the sheep.
 
We wrote it. You merely adopted the bible, we were born in it, molded by it. edit per mod

I bet I could go through 150 verses and you folks would deny the verses. We'd love for you guys to actually believe the scriptures.

You guys could never say you wrote the bible or that you ever bind and loose. The church is just the church.

This weird idea we are now churches trying to put in a job application with God, nope the church is what it is, irregardless of whatever made up eclesiastic system you theorize.

Btw all one billion of us joined your congregation and we've voted you are wrong about christianity, point being doesn't matter how legit the church is or whatever council they hold you will remain your own pope.
Your wrote nothing and your institution did not write scripture.
 
The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Why should it make peace with error? No, it has been the Church and only the Church that has fought the great heresies.
And how do these heresies arise? By those who read something new in Scripture apart from Tradition and spread their errors to others.
Your institution is the pillar and foundation of lies. It has already made peace with error.
 
Just read the Bible in your own language and you will never be catholic
You are right. (Shouldn't that be a capital C?) As I read the Bible I realized more and more how far the RCC had strayed.
The Holy Spirit does not use heretics to attack Christ and His church or His revelation
Debatable, depending on your view of whether or not God causes everything to happen.
BTW, does the Holy Spirit use True Believers to "attack Christ and His church or His revelation"?
There is
Rev 13:7 BSB Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
Remember Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Lk 10:16
Counterfeit money looks real, also. And counterfeiters will swear up and down that it is real.
His mystical body
Wherever is that found?
What [you?] say about the church you are in effect saying about Christ!
Go read Revelation 2&3. See what Christ said about Himself. That is, if your rationale is correct.
 
You're trying to argue against something none of us said. But to be clear Jesus' human body died ONCE, IN time.

You love your sect so much that you simply refuse to believe God's word. Or maybe it's that the Catholic loves themselves so much they can't admit they are wrong. Either way, it's not a good place to be in. Chanting we're #1 won't help you. Believing the traditions of men won't help you.

Clearly God is talking about the Roman Catholic sect here:

'The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.'
We have to keep in mind that most of the clergy and lay people that teach Roman Catholic doctrine are not deceiving people with any malicious intent. They are simply passing on what has been taught to them in the faith of Roman Catholicism, believing they are being taught the truth. Actually, many Roman Catholics have a zeal for God but it is not based on biblical knowledge.
 
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