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Bob Carabbio

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I quite agree. Try telling this to @Yakuda. If course the very notion of "Absolute values" is nonsense.


Also true. Whether one believes in God or not, in practice all we have are human ideas forged in human societies, mutable, flawed and sometimes unworkable. The never ending, never changing, never existing values of an imaginary God are of no use whatsoever.
OF course, if there IS NO GOD. Then Everything goes that the "society" du jour approves of, and there's no eternal considerations.
 
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BMS

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I quite agree. Try telling this to @Yakuda. If course the very notion of "Absolute values" is nonsense.


Also true. Whether one believes in God or not, in practice all we have are human ideas forged in human societies, mutable, flawed and sometimes unworkable. The never ending, never changing, never existing values of an imaginary God are of no use whatsoever.
Why is absolute values nonsense?
 

Temujin

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OF course, if there IS NO GOD. Then Everything goes that the "society" du jour approves of, and there's no eternal considerations.
Yes. You've got it. Of course this is what has happened throughout history, and will continue to happen. Your apparent view that this is a bad thing, is of course just a matter of opinion.
 

BMS

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Yes. You've got it. Of course this is what has happened throughout history, and will continue to happen. Your apparent view that this is a bad thing, is of course just a matter of opinion.
Of course its a bad thing, its what happened with the Nazi and Marxist regimes last century. Or are you saying they were not necessarily bad.
And of course it has happened throughout history and will continue to do so because of fallen human beings
 

Temujin

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And the putridness of moral relativism has turned the world into a sewer.
No. If the world is a sewer, and if it has ever been anything else, then that is down to the moral choices made by human beings. It isn't the fault of a particular, well-evidenced philosophical notion. Moral relativism is just a description of reality. You might prefer a different reality, but that isn't this reality's fault.
 

BMS

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No. If the world is a sewer, and if it has ever been anything else, then that is down to the moral choices made by human beings. It isn't the fault of a particular, well-evidenced philosophical notion. Moral relativism is just a description of reality. You might prefer a different reality, but that isn't this reality's fault.
So the fault of choices made by human beings would moral relativism.
 

Yakuda

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No. If the world is a sewer, and if it has ever been anything else, then that is down to the moral choices made by human beings. It isn't the fault of a particular, well-evidenced philosophical notion. Moral relativism is just a description of reality. You might prefer a different reality, but that isn't this reality's fault.
No moral relativism is an evil. You need morals to see that though
 

Yakuda

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You think slavery could be moral? I don't agree with you, but you are entitled to your opinion.
You said it's an "opinion" suggesting you think it could be considered moral. You relativists are like whiny leftists you want it both ways.
 
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BMS

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You said it's an "opinion" suggesting you think it could be considered moral. You relativists are like whiny leftists you want it both ways.
Yep, unbelievable. Remember its feelings based, not evidence based or logical
 

Temujin

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You said it's an "opinion" suggesting you think it could be considered moral. You relativists are like whiny leftists you want it both ways.
That doesn't follow. Some opinions are universally held. The difference between morality being a matter of personal judgement or being an objective fact is that the former is true, as demonstrated throughout human history. There is no evidence whatsoever that the latter is true. Just a bunch of arrogant so-and-sos saying "It's obvious that..." or "My Holy Book says that..." Morality is like beauty, it resides in the eye of the beholder.
 

BMS

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That doesn't follow. Some opinions are universally held. The difference between morality being a matter of personal judgement or being an objective fact is that the former is true, as demonstrated throughout human history. There is no evidence whatsoever that the latter is true. Just a bunch of arrogant so-and-sos saying "It's obvious that..." or "My Holy Book says that..." Morality is like beauty, it resides in the eye of the beholder.
That is contradiction.
Also, morality is a principle of right and wrong rather than an opinion.
 
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