Seeking security in the flock

Stella1000

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Are you still arguing the church does the saving? It seems you are indeed.

It is clear that you are arguing that the church does the saving otherwise whatever could be the role of the church!
Put it this way. It is the Church that celebrates the Eucharist as per Jesus instruction and prepares the faithful sacramentally. It is the Church that teaches the gospel. It instructs, it encourages, it unites, it promotes charity and the virtues. In another thousand years, what the Church teaches today will be part of the deposit that helps Christians of that time, just as the past 2000 years help us today.
 

balshan

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Put it this way. It is the Church that celebrates the Eucharist as per Jesus instruction and prepares the faithful sacramentally. It is the Church that teaches the gospel. It instructs, it encourages, it unites, it promotes charity and the virtues. In another thousand years, what the Church teaches today will be part of the deposit that helps Christians of that time, just as the past 2000 years help us today.
Your institution has a false eucharist celebration, I mean look at the low moral behaviour of the priests for a start. Your institution teaches another gospel. It turns people away from Jesus, it does not unite, it divides, it promotes sin. Even atheists promote charity and virtue, so your institution is not a light at all. It promotes those things to cover up its lack of morals, its lies, its evil behaviour throughout the centuries and its false doctrines.

Your institution has no deposit of faith.
 

balshan

Well-known member
Then what is the role of the Church?
Your institution has no role at all. It fails every scriptural test except the bad tree test, it does not look like the real church either, its leaders fail the scritpural requirements for leaders that is just the start of why it is not your institution.
 

Blessings8

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Catholics are taught to seek security in their flock and to believe their security is being part of their flock and following the rest of the flock. After all their flock is the "pillar and foundation of truth."

A foolish sheep thinks he has security in the flock and with the flock. He feels safe following the flock and conforming to the flock. But one sheep cannot protect another from the wolves, not even the whole flock.

A wise sheep knows his security is not in the flock and with the flock. Following the other sheep provides him no safety whatsoever. He knows that only his Shepherd provides him safety and only His Shepherd can protect him from the wolves and so the wise sheep follows HIM.

I AM the way, the truth, and the life.
I have never heard anything so strange.
 

leonard03782

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Put it this way. It is the Church that celebrates the Eucharist as per Jesus instruction and prepares the faithful sacramentally. It is the Church that teaches the gospel. It instructs, it encourages, it unites, it promotes charity and the virtues. In another thousand years, what the Church teaches today will be part of the deposit that helps Christians of that time, just as the past 2000 years help us today.
Would you like something to drink with your cafeteria Christianity? some whine, perhaps?
 

romishpopishorganist

Well-known member
Catholics are taught to seek security in their flock and to believe their security is being part of their flock and following the rest of the flock. After all their flock is the "pillar and foundation of truth."

A foolish sheep thinks he has security in the flock and with the flock. He feels safe following the flock and conforming to the flock. But one sheep cannot protect another from the wolves, not even the whole flock.

A wise sheep knows his security is not in the flock and with the flock. Following the other sheep provides him no safety whatsoever. He knows that only his Shepherd provides him safety and only His Shepherd can protect him from the wolves and so the wise sheep follows HIM.

I AM the way, the truth, and the life.
Here we go with Protestant false dichotomy, the Christian religion is zero sum and one dimensional, if we say there is security in the flock, somehow, for some reason, this is an affront to Christ and his "all sufficient work" on the cross, blah, blah, blah.

The Church is the Body of Christ. Thus, to be in the "flock" is to be part of the body, and thus united with Christ. Because the Church is the Body of Christ, there is a connection between Christ's presence on earth and the Church. The Body of Christ mediates the presence of Christ in the world. Thus, the Church is a very necessary component in one's relationship with Christ.
 

Buzzard

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Put it this way. It is the Church that celebrates the Eucharist as per Jesus instruction and prepares the faithful sacramentally. It is the Church that teaches the gospel. It instructs, it encourages, it unites, it promotes charity and the virtues. In another thousand years, what the Church teaches today will be part of the deposit that helps Christians of that time, just as the past 2000 years help us today.
Stella;
can you post anything except RCC propaganda

And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.



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Who was this John the Baptist ?????
1st born of
a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia:
and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron,
and her name was Elisabeth.


8 And it came to pass,
that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,

9 According to the custom of the priest's office,
his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.​

as the 1st born of Zacharias,
Johns inheritance would have been to take his father's place

Why wasn't John "Downtown Jerusalem" crying to be heard
over all the other many voices ??????

But we find John out in the Wilderness
not "Downtown Jerusalem" in a multi million dollar Building
away from all the howling of the many voices
"Preparing the way for the coming of Christ"
and "Who" went out to hear John and be Batized by him ?????

Rev.12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness,
where she hath a place prepared of God,
that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days
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