Seventh-Day Adventists are NOT Christians!

SDAchristian

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Prologue:
AV Ac 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.

I am/was on ignore by some posters, who want the doctrine of ignorance, apart from GOD's will about it.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=GASLIGHT+def said:
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
Anyone familiar with the term "GASLIGHT"?
Who is doing that with an implied personal attack of verbal abuse ???

To speak with a forked tongue means to tell lies, to not be truthful, to be deceptive. To speak with a forked tongue may be interpreted as saying one thing but meaning another.
Does anyone post with a "forked keyboard"?
Who is doing that with an implied personal attack of lying ???

Whether the person you are talking about did it, your comment is about the person, and not about their doctrine.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

JonHawk

Active member
Prologue:
AV Ac 17:30-31 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.

I am/was on ignore by some posters, who want the doctrine of ignorance, apart from GOD's will about it.

You should no longer live like the pagans who don’t know God. No one should wrong his brother in this matter or take advantage of him, because the Lord punishes all who do such things — as we have explained to you before at length. For God did not call us to live [unreconciled but reconciled through the Holy One]. Therefore, whoever rejects this teaching is rejecting not a man but God, indeed, the One who gives you His Holy Spirit. 1 Thess 4:4-8

Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good.
 

Formersda

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Where is "Christ observed Hanukkah" in scriptures, Please ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
John 10:22,23
At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple the portico of Solomon.

SDA’s do believe that this feast is Hanukkah

 

SDAchristian

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Prologue:
AV Lk 2:49-50 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
AV Mt 12:4-7 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

At what point do you think that Jesus understood that Jesus was greater than the earthy sanctuary temple ???
John 10:22,23
At that time the Feast of the Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple the portico of Solomon.
{Additional Emphasis by SDAchristian}
Thank you for answering my question about where in scripture was the reference.

Christmas comes every year at the same time, does not mean everyone participates in Christmas(Think Jews). The same is true of any other holiday on the calendar.

How do you get Jesus' participation out the reference above, for "Hanukkah is called the Feast of Dedication" ???

I personally look for type to anti-type fulfillment. So where is "Hanukkah is called the Feast of Dedication" fulfillment in Jesus' life ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

pythons

Active member
Prologue:
AV Lk 2:49-50 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? 50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
AV Mt 12:4-7 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

At what point do you think that Jesus understood that Jesus was greater than the earthy sanctuary temple ???

Thank you for answering my question about where in scripture was the reference.

Christmas comes every year at the same time, does not mean everyone participates in Christmas(Think Jews). The same is true of any other holiday on the calendar.

How do you get Jesus' participation out the reference above, for "Hanukkah is called the Feast of Dedication" ???

I personally look for type to anti-type fulfillment. So where is "Hanukkah is called the Feast of Dedication" fulfillment in Jesus' life ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

The Temple was re-Dedicated to God after its defilement by the Little Horn of Daniel 8...
...This all took place long prior to the birth of Christ - which is why Jesus was at the celebration.
...Like all good Jew's He was observing the religious holyday.
 

SDAchristian

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The Temple was re-Dedicated to God after its defilement by the Little Horn of Daniel 8...
...This all took place long prior to the birth of Christ - which is why Jesus was at the celebration.
...Like all good Jew's He was observing the religious holyday.
Nice opinion !!!

Too bad, it is not spiritual fact.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Buzzard

Well-known member
the 1st Question should be
Why was Christ there

Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold,
but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

I am the good shepherd:
the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling,
and not the shepherd,
whose own the sheep are not,
seeth the wolf coming,
and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth:
and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling,
and careth not for the sheep.

It appears he was there to rebuke the false shepherds
not celebrate
 

pythons

Active member
Nice opinion !!!

Too bad, it is not spiritual fact.

Yours in Christ, Michael

It is a fact that Jesus participated in Hanukkah, as every practicing Jew did...
...Hanukkah affirms the Temple was re-dedicated after it was defiled.
...By Antiochus the 3rd.



 

JonHawk

Active member
For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.1 Cor 5:7
the 1st Question should be Why was Christ there

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep....

It appears he was there to rebuke the false shepherds not celebrate
For the generations to come you shall celebrate it as feast to the Lord as an everlasting ordinance; (Exodus 12:13-15)

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary— Thomas Aquinas
 

JonHawk

Active member
For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.1 Cor 5:7
the 1st Question should be Why was Christ there

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

It appears he was there to rebuke the false shepherds not celebrate
For the generations to come you shall celebrate it as a feast to the Lord as an everlasting ordinance; (Exodus 12:13-15)

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary— Thomas Aquinas
Saved by the blood of the Lamb.jpg
 

Buzzard

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Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel,
saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb,
according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:

And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month:
and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

I will pass through the land of Egypt this night,
and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt,
both man and beast;
and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the Lord.

13 And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are:
and when I see the blood, I will pass over you,
and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you,
when I smite the land of Egypt.



Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt,
was four hundred and thirty years.

41 And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years,
even the selfsame day it came to pass,
that all the hosts of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt.
 

JonHawk

Active member
The Lord has prepared a sacrifice, He has consecrated His guests.
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel,
saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb,
according to the house of their fathers, ...
Then it will come about on the day of the Lord’s sacrifice That I will punish all who clothe themselves with foreign garments
(those who have turned back from following the Lord, And those who have not sought the Lord). (Zeph 1)
 

Buzzard

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For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.1 Cor 5:7

For the generations to come you shall celebrate it as feast to the Lord as an everlasting ordinance; (Exodus 12:13-15)
I thought the subject was Hanukkah
and my question was

the 1st Question should be Why was Christ there​
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.​
It appears he was there to rebuke the false shepherds;​
not celebrate​

the 1st Question should be
Why was Christ there ?????????

pythons posted

It is a fact that Jesus participated in Hanukkah, as every practicing Jew did...
...Hanukkah affirms the Temple was re-dedicated after it was defiled.
...By Antiochus the 3rd.

not sure what your point was by quoting

Ex.12:
And this day shall be unto you for a memorial;
and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations;
ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread;
even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:
for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day,
that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation,
and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you;
no manner of work shall be done in them,
save that which every man must eat,
that only may be done of you.

17 And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread;
for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt:
therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.

Matt.13:33
Another parable spake he unto them;
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal,
till the whole was leavened.

so how is Hanukkah likened unto leaven ??????

it isn't; its as pythons posted
Hanukkah affirms the Temple was re-dedicated after it was defiled.​
...By Antiochus the 3rd.​

but then it becomes one of "The Mustards" planted in the fields Christ spake of
ie:
pythons said:
The Temple was re-Dedicated to God after its defilement by the Little Horn of Daniel 8...

when Daniel ch.8 saws about the little horn
And he said unto me,
Unto two thousand and three hundred days;
then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


the sanctuary Daniel speaks of isn't some
brick and stone building,
but the true Sanctuary where he dwells

So he came near where I stood:
and when he came,
I was afraid, and fell upon my face:
but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man:
for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Matt.24:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth, let him understand..)


Then I heard one saint speaking,
and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake,
How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice,
and the transgression of desolation,
to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

that was not fulfilled in the days of Antiochus IV Epiphanes,
200 +/- years before Christ
/

those that eat of the Leavened Bread
..
ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:
for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day,
that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
 
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John t

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those that eat of the Leavened Bread
..
ye shall put away leaven out of your houses:
for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day,
that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

That is why the SDAs can't enjoy a slice of pizza. Seriously. They can't.

I know of a guy who ran a pizza delivery service to make money while attending Anderson. He used to post here under the username Resjudicata.

They take a simple metaphor and make it a universal law. Then they sling it at Christians, as if they were scraping stuff from the barn floor, hoping we will be insulted. so if you are not a SDA, then WHY are you quoting that nonsense to us? It does cause me to believe that you may be either a "Closet SDA" of a theologically mixed up person.

Which is it? Or is it something else that describes you?
 

Buzzard

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Matt.13:33
Another parable spake he unto them;
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
which
a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal,
till the whole was leavened.

He wasn't speaking of Pizza nor a Ham Sandwich
Malachi 4:4
Remember ye the law of Moses my servant,
which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel,
with the statutes and judgments.

Beware ye of the Leaven of doctrine

it the SDA Michael
that quotes Isaiah
Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments,
which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels
;

and

they that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst,
eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

thinking he was speaking of Ham on Rye
or Ham & Eggs for breakfast
 
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JonHawk

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JonHawk said:
For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.1 Cor 5:7
For the generations to come you shall celebrate it as feast to the Lord as an everlasting ordinance; (Exodus 12:13-15)
I thought the subject was Hanukkah
Pray tell how you would commemorate the dedication of the second temple without the Passover.
Buzzard said:
the 1st Question should be Why was Christ there​
Because Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant, You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. (Heb 12)

Now Moses was faithful in all God’s house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken later; 6 but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house—whose house we are, Heb 3

You also, as living stones, are built up as a spiritual house offering spiritual sacrifices that are acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in Scripture:
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a choice stone, a precious cornerstone," 1 Peter 2
 
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Buzzard

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The Lord has prepared a sacrifice, He has consecrated His guests.
Buzzard said:
Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel,
saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb,
according to the house of their fathers, ...
Then it will come about on the day of the Lord’s sacrifice That I will punish all who clothe themselves with foreign garments
(those who have turned back from following the Lord, And those who have not sought the Lord). (Zeph 1)

It is as it is written;
it went way over their heads
Jon;
how can you expect them to understand

Hebrews 5
seeing ye are dull of hearing.

12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers,
ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,
even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
 

JonHawk

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I know that whatever God does, it endures forever; nothing can be added to it nor can anything be taken from it. Eccl 3:14
it went way over their heads Jon;
how can you expect them to understand seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Hebrews 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God;
and are become such as have need of milk,
What do you suppose that they don't understand Buz, not to add anything, (Ex 23:18) nor take away anything? (Ex 23:20-21)
and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age,
even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
“See, I have removed your iniquity from you, I will clothe you with rich garments.” Zech 3:4

If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the calamities written in this book;
and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life; (Rev 22:17-19)
 
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