Seventh-Day Adventists are NOT Christians!

Pipiripi

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I believe that there are Three Persons within the One God, but the Father told us how to honor Him that was by only honoring the Son because when we are not honoring the Son, we are not honoring the Father per John 5:22-23 which is the standard of judgment over every believer.

The Holy Spirit is God and it is because He serves as the divine Witness, He will not lead believers t testify of Himself to seek glory for Himself but of the Son in seeking His glory through us per John 15:26-27 & John 16:14 and so He will not lead us to testify in any other way.

It is man's assumption that because the Holy Spirit is God which is true, that we can worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son which is not found anywhere in the Bible but there are scripture that testify specifically how we are to approach God the father in worship which is by the only way to come to God the Father by in anything per John 14:6, and why that is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship in order to glory God the father by as Paul stressed this to have in obedience in his absence in Philippians 2:5-13..

There are sinners in the world that worships spirits and the spirits behind idols and some speak in supernatural gibberish nonsense tongues too whereas the real God's gift of tongues as prophesied is to be of other men's lips to speak unto the people & not for private use; 1 Corinthians 12:4-21. To keep out those spirits and that kind of tongue they bring is why all invitations continue to be towards the Son in coming to God the father for anything as we can only live this reconciled relationship with God the Father thru Jesus Christ. It is the only way sinners know for sure they are relating to God the father through the Son and it is also the only way for Christians back in those times to know if that sinner has repented of his tongue and the spirits by them too, by keeping his focus and sights on the Son in worship which the Holy Spirit in the believer will lead them to do.

It is the spirits of the anti-Christ that seeks to put the spotlight on themselves and their visitations with signs & wonders thus fulfilling that term " instead of Christ ", which is what anti-Christ means as used in the scripture.

So that is why Jesus is warning the churches to strive ye to enter thru the straight gate in Luke 13:24-30 as He is the only way to come to God the father by in worship, prayer, and fellowship, as He warned in Matthew 7:13-14 that the iniquity is broadening the way which is what has happened when they include the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

There are no scripture teaching that practice even though the Holy Spirit is God, but if they look at what scripture says what the Holy Spirit is supposed to do, then they may see with His help that Jesus literally meant what He has said, not just for salvation, but specifically for believers in how t come to God the father by and Jesus said He is the only way to come to the Father by.

So ask Jesus in prayer; read the scripture for what He plainly said, and you may see why the way is narrow & only a few find it in these latter days.
Okay, I know now why you believe that the Holy Spirit is a God.
But you also know that I know that the Holy Spirit is not a god. It is something that belong to God and Jesus Christ only. And that Spirit is their power mind/breath. Their Nature. I will finished now who is the true Holy Spirit so that everybody must see that they must put their trust only into the scriptures. God bless you!
 

Hark

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Okay, I know now why you believe that the Holy Spirit is a God.
But you also know that I know that the Holy Spirit is not a god. It is something that belong to God and Jesus Christ only. And that Spirit is their power mind/breath. Their Nature. I will finished now who is the true Holy Spirit so that everybody must see that they must put their trust only into the scriptures. God bless you!
#1. The Holy Spirit is a Person for Him to be counted as a separate Witness within the Triune God. 1 John 5:7 of the KJV John 8:17 is the reason why the Holy Spirit was needed in Matthew 3:15-17 so that the Father's testimony of the Son from Heaven is true.

#2. The Holy Spirit has been given a job to do as the Comforter as He will bring into remembrance all things Jesus has said unto us. John 14:26

#3. The Holy Spirit makes silent intercessions for us as Jesus knows the mind of the Spirit to give to the Father the Spirit's silent intercessions per Romans 8:26-27 in the KJV.

#4. Hence the Holy Spirit has His own mind, but submissive to the Father's will as the Son is too in being submissive to the Father's will.

#5. The Holy Spirit can be grieved per Ephesians 4:30.

These 5 truths regarding the Person of the Holy Spirit of the Triune God should be enough to reconsider your belief of the Holy Spirit just being a force. Feel free to ask Jesus as you look up those scriptural references to confirm the word with Him..
 

JonHawk

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if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised him from the dead, you are saved.
That is right because that seal of adoption, the Holy Spirit, is not going anywhere, ( Ephesians 4:30 )
Through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand; Rom 5
 

Pipiripi

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#1. The Holy Spirit is a Person for Him to be counted as a separate Witness within the Triune God. 1 John 5:7 of the KJV John 8:17 is the reason why the Holy Spirit was needed in Matthew 3:15-17 so that the Father's testimony of the Son from Heaven is true.

#2. The Holy Spirit has been given a job to do as the Comforter as He will bring into remembrance all things Jesus has said unto us. John 14:26

#3. The Holy Spirit makes silent intercessions for us as Jesus knows the mind of the Spirit to give to the Father the Spirit's silent intercessions per Romans 8:26-27 in the KJV.

#4. Hence the Holy Spirit has His own mind, but submissive to the Father's will as the Son is too in being submissive to the Father's will.

#5. The Holy Spirit can be grieved per Ephesians 4:30.

These 5 truths regarding the Person of the Holy Spirit of the Triune God should be enough to reconsider your belief of the Holy Spirit just being a force. Feel free to ask Jesus as you look up those scriptural references to confirm the word with Him..
My friend, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God in us. If you don't have this Spirit, then you have a deception spirit in you
 

John t

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Do you believe in the Trinity doctrine? Yes why, no why!

I believe it because the Scripture is abundantly clear on the issue. Only by taking Scripture out of context and ignoring the grammar and syntax of Hebrew and Greek can one come up with a totally erroneous view about the Trinity.

HOWEVER you are creating a derail in this thread, in the SDA sub forum. This is the forum reserved to post about things the SDA church believes.

Please take that issue to the Apologetics forum, where it will not be a derail. TYVM
 

Hark

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My friend, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God in us. If you don't have this Spirit, then you have a deception spirit in you
Nothing I have shared suggested otherwise. The Holy Spirit cannot fulfill the role of the Comforter if He is not in us always as per John 14:16-17 & 26.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.....26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 

JonHawk

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Hark said:
if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God raised him from the dead, you are saved.
That is right because that seal of adoption, the Holy Spirit, is not going anywhere, ( Ephesians 4:30 )
JonHawk said:
Through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand; Rom 5

And not by continually keeping the sabbath day.
We've already established that it is not a day of the the week,#195 entering into His rest is based on Christ's work of redemption.

5 He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace; Eph 1
 
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Hark

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JonHawk said:
Through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand; Rom 5


We've already established that it is not a day of the the week,#195 entering into His rest is based on Christ's work of redemption.

5 He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace; Eph 1
I am not a sabbath day keeper nor a seventh day adventist. Are you?

Thanks to Jesus Christ, I represent Him & testify of Him in seeking His glory, therefore no man can boast of keeping the sabbath day any more as if that is required to get saved or keep one saved.
 

JonHawk

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JonHawk said:
Through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand; Rom 5

We've already established that it is not a day of the the week,#195 entering into His rest is based on Christ's work of redemption.

5 He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace; Eph 1

I am not a sabbath day keeper nor a seventh day adventist.
Congratulations.
Who says you have to be SDA to rest in Christ's work of redemption?
Thanks to Jesus Christ, I represent Him & testify of Him in seeking His glory, therefore no man can boast of keeping the sabbath day any more as if that is required to get saved or keep one saved.
That's right, it doesn't say profane Him, it says sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts.
 
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Hark

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Read!! Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12. In which day is this prophecy??!!
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Here are the commandments;

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

That is it. The keeping of the sabbath day is not listed. Paul explains why.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

That also includes the sabbath day.

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

That is why Jesus being with His disciples was how they were guiltless for profaning the sabbath day in defending them against the Pharisees.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Jesus Christ is in us and with us always in according to our faith for why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Our bodies are the permament dwelling place as the temples for the Holy Spirit for why we are guiltless.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
 

Pipiripi

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You did
Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Here are the commandments;

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

That is it. The keeping of the sabbath day is not listed. Paul explains why.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. 7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. 8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

That also includes the sabbath day.

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

That is why Jesus being with His disciples was how they were guiltless for profaning the sabbath day in defending them against the Pharisees.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Jesus Christ is in us and with us always in according to our faith for why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Our bodies are the permament dwelling place as the temples for the Holy Spirit for why we are guiltless.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
You didn't read it good.
It is written THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
THE FAITH OF JESUS.
So to things they have.
The Commandments of God is 10, not 8 or 9. The faith OF Jesus is walking in His footsteps.
Stop twisting the scriptures.
Are you keeping the 10 Commandments of God? Including the Sabbath day of rest?
 

Hark

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You didn't read it good.
It is written THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD
THE FAITH OF JESUS.
So to things they have.
The Commandments of God is 10, not 8 or 9. The faith OF Jesus is walking in His footsteps.
Stop twisting the scriptures.
Are you keeping the 10 Commandments of God? Including the Sabbath day of rest?
Here are the commandments;

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

That is it. The keeping of the sabbath day is not listed.
 

SDAchristian

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Here are the commandments;
1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
That is it. The keeping of the sabbath day is not listed.
Neither is killing sabbath keepers, which Jesus was, is and will always be.

AV Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Are you responsible for killing Jesus' testimony then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Hark

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Neither is killing sabbath keepers, which Jesus was, is and will always be.

AV Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Are you responsible for killing Jesus' testimony then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
More like I am believing Jesus that because He is in me and with me always, I am guiltless for profaning the sabbath. That is the same way Jesus defended His disciples for profaning the sabbath. in Matthew 12:1-7.

So fell free to apply Matthew 12:1-7 to me in how the Pharisees were seeking to condemn Jesus's disciples for picking ears of corn on the sabbath day to eat when they would be expected to gather extra food for the sabbath day the day before so they would not have to profane the sabbath.

Jesus referred to 2 incidents in the Old Testament where the saints had profaned the sabbath day but were guiltless because they were in the Temple.

Note that Jesus said they DID PROFANED the sabbath BUT because they were in the TEMPLE, they were guiltless.

Now... how did He defend His disciples? By saying One greater than the Temple was here. Who was that? Jesus.

Now Who is greater than the sabbath day commandment? Jesus. He is Lord over the sabbath and not the sabbath lord over Jesus.

If you cannot prove how I applied His words wrong just in Matthew 12:1-7, WITHOUT going to other scripture in the Old Testament completely IGNORING what Jesus has said, then you tell me how He defended His disciples fr profaning the sabbath day when they were nowhere near the Temple or in the Temple when they were in the cornfield picking ears of corn to eat?
 

SDAchristian

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Prologue:
AV Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus give the OT words as Jesus' testimony to the OT writers ???

AV Mt 22:36-40 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
If you cannot prove how I applied His words wrong just in Matthew 12:1-7, WITHOUT going to other scripture in the Old Testament completely IGNORING what Jesus has said, then you tell me how He defended His disciples fr profaning the sabbath day when they were nowhere near the Temple or in the Temple when they were in the cornfield picking ears of corn to eat?
AV Lk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Is this a real discussion between two GOD motivated individuals ???

Or would you have limited Jesus' word usage as well ???

AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Your account of your words, will be judged by Jesus; you know that for yourself, Right ???

OT scriptures point to Jesus as the Messiah, so you do not have proof of Jesus' Messiahship then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

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Prologue:
AV Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

A theocracy coming to the whole earth soon.

A government promoting Sunday worship, is it a theocracy then ???
Four Stages of Sunday Law (EGW References available) said:
1. Refrain From Working on Sunday.
2. Honor Sunday, but can still worship on Sabbath.
3. Cannot worship on Sabbath, Only Sunday; Fines and Imprisonment imposed.
4. Death Penalty those who worship on Sabbath and disregard Sunday.
From Norman McNulty, M.D. presentation.
A government condemning Sabbath worship found in Jesus' righteousness, is it a theocracy then ???
Now Who is greater than the sabbath day commandment? Jesus. He is Lord over the sabbath and not the sabbath lord over Jesus.
From a prophetic point of view reasoning with you:
Is Jesus greater than first / sun day rest, in the righteousness defined by men, in the laws of men ???

Because you can defend that with GOD's Words, for the coming Sunday Death Decree(A counterfeit to sabbath death penalty in the OT.) to men, who will not submit to the authority of men over the authority of GOD, Right ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Hark

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Prologue:
AV Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Did Jesus give the OT words as Jesus' testimony to the OT writers ???

AV Mt 22:36-40 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

AV Lk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Is this a real discussion between two GOD motivated individuals ???

Or would you have limited Jesus' word usage as well ???

AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Your account of your words, will be judged by Jesus; you know that for yourself, Right ???

OT scriptures point to Jesus as the Messiah, so you do not have proof of Jesus' Messiahship then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
Your answer proves you are deflecting from His words in Matthew 12:1-7.

You are subverted to a teaching that is not aligned with His words in Matthew 12:1-7.

Until you address Matthew. 12:1-7 for how His disciples are guiltless for profaning the sabbath, you have no real answer to this issue.
 
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