Should rape by deception be legal for trans people? To have sex without telling they are trans.

Mr Laurier

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It serves you right me guessing since you cant give a straight answer.
Given that I have given straight answers all my life...
Such as? Apart from the Adam's apple, and I wasn't asking you about different ways we can tell, just asking you whether you recognise the reality of the two different anatomies in the binary of biological sex?
You have never seen a human face before?
 

Mr Laurier

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So you wouldn't care which sex you have sexual intercourse with?
There was a CARM poster named Supersport, who used to post thread after thread, raving against homosexuals, and accusing them of giving everybody diseases.
I pointed out that no homosexual had ever given me a disease, and never would.
He insisted that if I was not already infected with diseases from homosexuals, that I seen would be.
I asked him to explain how that could happen.
He declared that when (not even "if", but "when") I have sex with gay men, they are giving me diseases.
I helpfully pointed out that I have never had sex with a gay man, and that I have no inclination to ever do so.
He went on a rant that EVERYBODY is constantly being tempted by gay men.
I again, helpfully, pointed out that I am not at all "tempted" by gay men.
This went on for a while, until supersport finally admitted that he frequently used gay male prostitutes for unprotected and anonymous sex.
And that this had gotten him a few nasty infections. He then insisted that "everybody does that though".
I simply pointed out that, as an exclusive heterosexual, I had no interest on having sex with men. And that only gay men were attracted to other men. Only repressed gay men, deep in the closet, are "tempted" by gay men.
It took sporty a while to grasp that fact. And longer for him to grasp the implications.
 

Temujin

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I would agree that it should be regarded as a sexual offence. It may well be under certain circumstances. It isn't rape as the technical requirements for rape are not met. I can see that for some people the distress caused would be similar to that caused by rape, but that doesn't make it rape. Perhaps the law is behind the curve in this and needs updating.
 
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BMS

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There was a CARM poster named Supersport, who used to post thread after thread, raving against homosexuals, and accusing them of giving everybody diseases.
I pointed out that no homosexual had ever given me a disease, and never would.
He insisted that if I was not already infected with diseases from homosexuals, that I seen would be.
I asked him to explain how that could happen.
He declared that when (not even "if", but "when") I have sex with gay men, they are giving me diseases.
I helpfully pointed out that I have never had sex with a gay man, and that I have no inclination to ever do so.
He went on a rant that EVERYBODY is constantly being tempted by gay men.
I again, helpfully, pointed out that I am not at all "tempted" by gay men.
This went on for a while, until supersport finally admitted that he frequently used gay male prostitutes for unprotected and anonymous sex.
And that this had gotten him a few nasty infections. He then insisted that "everybody does that though".
I simply pointed out that, as an exclusive heterosexual, I had no interest on having sex with men. And that only gay men were attracted to other men. Only repressed gay men, deep in the closet, are "tempted" by gay men.
It took sporty a while to grasp that fact. And longer for him to grasp the implications.
And?
Btw if a man has sex with a 'transwoman' its homosexual, right?
 

Thistle

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This is the first time I've seen such a video, but I'm already overwhelmed with emotion because this event should be punishable. This is definitely rape. Yes, it is a crime for which the perpetrator should be punished because such situations should not be repeated, and it is necessary to prosecute them by law . . .
Your forthrightness is appreciated on the subject. I would however delete the link.
 

Temujin

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And?
Btw if a man has sex with a 'transwoman' its homosexual, right?
Wrong. A heterosexual is attracted to women. If a heterosexual has sex with someone he is attracted to, his sexuality is not changed whether that person is a woman, a transwoman, a man disguised as a woman, a blow up doll that looks like a woman or a cow with a wig on. If his perception is that the object of his desire is female, then the reality does not effect his sexuality, whatever the reality may be.
 

BMS

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No not wrong. You don't know whether a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a man or a woman. Even though you are told by the fact that its a man calling himself something.

heterosexual is the attraction, nothing in my remark about the attraction. The sex of someone doesn't change because you put the word 'trans' infront of it. Is a transgoblin a pixie or a goblin?
 

Temujin

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No not wrong. You don't know whether a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a man or a woman. Even though you are told by the fact that its a man calling himself something.

heterosexual is the attraction, nothing in my remark about the attraction. The sex of someone doesn't change because you put the word 'trans' infront of it. Is a transgoblin a pixie or a goblin?
Go back to the question you asked. The encounter between a man and anything or anyone, who that man sees as a woman, is heterosexual in his mind. What it is in your mind is completely irrelevant unless you are the man in question.
 

BMS

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Go back to the question you asked. The encounter between a man and anything or anyone, who that man sees as a woman, is heterosexual in his mind. What it is in your mind is completely irrelevant unless you are the man in question.
So if a man has sex with a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' its homosexual, and if a woman has sex with a woman who calls herself a 'transwoman' its also homosexual. Homosexual is the sexual attraction to the same sex. It cant be to the same gender because gender isnt sex.
 

Temujin

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So if a man has sex with a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' its homosexual, and if a woman has sex with a woman who calls herself a 'transwoman' its also homosexual. Homosexual is the sexual attraction to the same sex. It cant be to the same gender because gender isnt sex.
You are contradicting yourself. A heterosexual person is attracted to people of the opposite sex, or those who appear to be of the opposite sex. You are being too simplistic. Transgender people can be homosexual or heterosexual. They can have partners who may be homosexual or heterosexual. They may be bisexual. It's nobody's business but theirs. Your attempts at labeling are just malignant trouble-making. No one cares about the sexuality of consenting sexual partners, except those intimately involved. Which you are not.
 

BMS

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You are contradicting yourself. A heterosexual
let me stop you there. My point is about the biological sex, not their sexual orientation as in heterosexual. I dont need a definition of heterosexual.
Transgender people
Again, my point was about the biological sex determining the relations being hetero or homo sexual. Transgender could be a biological man or a biological woman or even an intersex person.

can be homosexual or heterosexual. They can have partners who may be homosexual or heterosexual.
irrelevant. The sexuality would be indicated by the biological sex of the two people taking part.
It's nobody's business but theirs.
it is when its rape.
Your attempts at labeling are just malignant trouble-making.
Just pointing out the biology; if you think science labels people in a way you.dont like then you realy do have some issues.
No one cares about the sexuality of consenting sexual partners, except those intimately involved.
except you who have made several attempts to respond without being able to include the biological sex or seemingly care about the rape.
 

Temujin

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let me stop you there. My point is about the biological sex, not their sexual orientation as in heterosexual. I dont need a definition of heterosexual.
Clearly you do, since you were asking if a heterosexual encounter was homosexual
Again, my point was about the biological sex determining the relations being hetero or homo sexual.
Make your mind up. Two sentences ago you said you were not interested in sexual orientation. That is what hetero or homosexual means - sexual orientation.
Transgender could be a biological man or a biological woman or even an intersex person.
My point exactly.

irrelevant. The sexuality would be indicated by the biological sex of the two people taking part.
You have lost the plot again. At the beginning of this nonsense you explained that heterosexuality was to do with sexual orientation. Now you declare it is to do with biology, which is bonkers.
it is when its rape.
Learn to read. What do you think "consenting" means?
Just pointing out the biology; if you think science labels people in a way you.dont like then you realy do have some issues.
It doesn't. You do. You have nothing to do with science.
except you who have made several attempts to respond without being able to include the biological sex or seemingly care about the rape.
What rape? Do you know what rape is? Do you understand what consent means? The OP is about deception, which may or may not reach the level of criminality. Rape has nothing to do with having consensual sex with someone who has lied to you.
 

BMS

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Clearly you do, since you were asking if a heterosexual encounter was homosexual
Clearly I don't because I was asking whether an encounter between a man who has sex with a 'transwoman' is homosexual. And then I clarified that which sexual orientation it is, is determined by the sex of the two people, which of course by definition it is.
So how come you got so utterly confused?
Make your mind up.
So do you understand the simple logic and biology reality now?

Two sentences ago you said you were not interested in sexual orientation.
Where did I say that? Are you dreaming? I asked whether a man having sex with a 'transwoman' would be homosexual, a homosexual encounter. Of course that would depend on whether the person who called themselves a 'transwoman' was a man or a woman. That is what hetero or homosexual means - sexual orientation towards either the opposite sex or the same sex. 'transwoman' isnt a biological sex, so 'transwoman' is irrelevant to the sexual orientation, its just that you said a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' could be a woman.
You have lost the plot again.
You lost the plot the moment you succumbed to the deranged gender identity ideology.
At the beginning of this nonsense you explained that heterosexuality was to do with sexual orientation.
Not quite, I explained heterosexual was sexual orientation, and I did so because you has got confused between sexuality and biological sex.
Now you declare it is to do with biology, which is bonkers
So you were wrong in the first place and built on your error.
What I said was "The sexuality would be indicated by the biological sex of the two people taking part." I have already explained this simple logic to you with definition and example, yet you are still unwilling to admit or acknowledge the truth.
Here goes again. So a lesbian, is a woman who is sexually attracted to other women. So they would only be attracted to a person who calls themselves 'transwoman' if it that person was a woman.
Now how come you haven't affirmed that definition of observable reality and biological sex? How come you pretended to try and make out I was confused when you are presented with something a 12 year old can grasp?
Learn to read. What do you think "consenting" means?
So remind yourself what I said. "it is when its rape" other people's business when it is to protect people from abuse. Rape is not consenting and I mentioned rape. So why would you assume I didn't mean rape?
It doesn't. You do. You have nothing to do with science.
As I said, just pointing out the biology; if you think science labels people in a way you dont like then you really do have some issues. If on the other hand you disagree with some of the science I have stated you will first need to address it rather than refer to something else or you perceived confusion.
What rape?
The rape by deception of the thread OP and Subject? You don't even know what you are supposed to be talking about
 

BMS

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This might be a bit too much for this forum, but I'm wondering how a person could have sex with another person who's trans without realising it. Wouldn't there be pretty obvious things in the private region you are or aren't expecting to find there?
Another person whose what? Did you mean trains?
 

Temujin

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Clearly I don't because I was asking whether an encounter between a man who has sex with a 'transwoman' is homosexual. And then I clarified that which sexual orientation it is, is determined by the sex of the two people, which of course by definition it is.
So how come you got so utterly confused?

So do you understand the simple logic and biology reality now?


Where did I say that? Are you dreaming? I asked whether a man having sex with a 'transwoman' would be homosexual, a homosexual encounter. Of course that would depend on whether the person who called themselves a 'transwoman' was a man or a woman. That is what hetero or homosexual means - sexual orientation towards either the opposite sex or the same sex. 'transwoman' isnt a biological sex, so 'transwoman' is irrelevant to the sexual orientation, its just that you said a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' could be a woman.

You lost the plot the moment you succumbed to the deranged gender identity ideology.

Not quite, I explained heterosexual was sexual orientation, and I did so because you has got confused between sexuality and biological sex.

So you were wrong in the first place and built on your error.
What I said was "The sexuality would be indicated by the biological sex of the two people taking part." I have already explained this simple logic to you with definition and example, yet you are still unwilling to admit or acknowledge the truth.
Here goes again. So a lesbian, is a woman who is sexually attracted to other women. So they would only be attracted to a person who calls themselves 'transwoman' if it that person was a woman.
Now how come you haven't affirmed that definition of observable reality and biological sex? How come you pretended to try and make out I was confused when you are presented with something a 12 year old can grasp?

So remind yourself what I said. "it is when its rape" other people's business when it is to protect people from abuse. Rape is not consenting and I mentioned rape. So why would you assume I didn't mean rape?

As I said, just pointing out the biology; if you think science labels people in a way you dont like then you really do have some issues. If on the other hand you disagree with some of the science I have stated you will first need to address it rather than refer to something else or you perceived confusion.
This whole post is not just garbage, but also says rather more about you than you realise. The only people who think that sexual attraction is just biology are porn addicts. Normal people are attracted to people, not biological specimens. You claim to be married, I'm guessing to a woman. I bet she would be thrilled if you told her you were attracted to her biology. If a lesbian has a transwoman partner, a person who looks like a woman, dresses and behaves like a woman, calls herself a woman and is legally a woman, then yes, she remains a lesbian. Normal people who know her and her wife will treat both of them as women. It is only freaks who treat people according to how they imagine they look without their clothes on. You may blather on about "biology", but your prurient interest in other people's private parts, past and present, is not normal. It is not how society conducts itself. Human interaction is about discussing mutual interests. If your main priority is whether the other person has a penis or a vagina, and whether this was always the case, then you will find it difficult to find a soul mate. (pun intended)
 
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