Should rape by deception be legal for trans people? To have sex without telling they are trans.

Temujin

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The rape by deception of the thread OP and Subject? You don't even know what you are supposed to be talking about
It is by no means certain that the case in the OP is rape, or could ever be classed as such. Much depends of course on the individual circumstances. Deceiving someone into having sex is not rape. Neither is concealing personal details that would have changed the person's agreement to sex. If during the course of a sexual encounter you discover something about your partner that causes you to change your mind and withdraw consent, (what the supermarket checkout would call "an unexpected item in baggage area") then you are entitled to do so. If the other person carries on regardless, that may well be rape. However, there is no presumption in law that prospective partners must declare their current and previous gender identity before having sex. The trans person may successfully claim that the subject never came up, that they presumed consent in good faith and acted accordingly. It isn't rape just because you feel icky afterwards.
 

BMS

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It is by no means certain that the case in the OP is rape, or could ever be classed as such. Much depends of course on the individual circumstances. Deceiving someone into having sex is not rape. Neither is concealing personal details that would have changed the person's agreement to sex. If during the course of a sexual encounter you discover something about your partner that causes you to change your mind and withdraw consent, (what the supermarket checkout would call "an unexpected item in baggage area") then you are entitled to do so. If the other person carries on regardless, that may well be rape. However, there is no presumption in law that prospective partners must declare their current and previous gender identity before having sex. The trans person may successfully claim that the subject never came up, that they presumed consent in good faith and acted accordingly. It isn't rape just because you feel icky afterwards.
But it is certain. You are now saying rape by deception isnt rape. The OP states its rape.
 

BMS

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This whole post is not just garbage, but also says rather more about you than you realise.
Or you. I am here to discuss issues and the ideologies some posters have, rather than judge posters themselves.

The only people who think that sexual attraction is just biology are porn addicts.
Well I wouldn't have known that. Do you spend time with porn addicts? I certainly pointed out that biology decides what the sexual attraction is, there is no consensus of scientific agreement as to the cause of sexual attraction.
Normal people are attracted to people, not biological specimens.
Nobody has thought that apart from you. But when it comes to sexual attraction obviously the sex is crucial; the give away is the word sex.
You claim to be married,
Well I am, ask my wife.
I'm guessing to a woman.
Of course because that is what marriage is in God's sight, and we have faith in God. I cant see why you asked that question seeing as you knew that.
I bet she would be thrilled if you told her you were attracted to her biology.
An element of her as a woman means I am. Do you not think sexual attraction has anything to do with the sex a person is attracted to?

If a lesbian has a transwoman partner
Let me stop you there. I have just told you what the definition of a lesbian is , you ignored it and just told me the same garbage. No, a lesbian is a woman who is a attracted to another woman, its about the biological sex and not what a person imagines contrary to reality. This 'transwoman' word and concept you get confused with. is not biology, not quantifiable scientifically, and denies the definition of woman and lesbian. OK? You have to drop your trans social construct or wont be able to communicate with people and you will get all upset and threaten people who don't agree with your imagination.
A person who looks like a woman, dresses and behaves like a woman, calls herself a woman and is legally a woman, then yes, she remains a lesbian.
But is she a woman and sis she a lesbian if she merely calls herself those things? To be a woman in terms of biological sex she would have to have XX chromosomes and female anatomy. You obviously find science and biology hateful and icky, but tough luck
It is only freaks who treat people according to how they imagine they look without their clothes on.
I would agree, and that is what you do. We don't image people are how they look, we treat people with respect however they look, but we dont deny what they are as as part of who they are. Your ideology does. We acknowledge that none of us are perfect.

You may blather on about "biology", but your prurient interest in other people's private parts, past and present, is not normal.
There is no purient interest in recognising the biological sex. The doctor who treats painful menstruation is recognising its a female anatomy and a woman, he or she isnt a pervert like you are implying. The lesbian is a woman who is sexually attracted to another woman, that does include the private parts. In woke terms your position is homophobic and misogynistic.

Human interaction is about discussing mutual interests.
well thats love ultimately but sexual attraction involves the biological sex.

So now let me repeat my questions.
I asked whether a man having sex with a 'transwoman' would be homosexual, a homosexual encounter.? So which is it? Of course that would depend on whether the person who called themselves a 'transwoman' was a man or a woman. That is what hetero or homosexual means - sexual orientation towards either the opposite sex or the same sex. 'transwoman' isnt a biological sex, so 'transwoman' is irrelevant to the sexual orientation, its just that you said a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' could be a woman. OK?
 

BMS

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It is by no means certain that the case in the OP is rape, or could ever be classed as such. Much depends of course on the individual circumstances. Deceiving someone into having sex is not rape. Neither is concealing personal details that would have changed the person's agreement to sex. If during the course of a sexual encounter you discover something about your partner that causes you to change your mind and withdraw consent, (what the supermarket checkout would call "an unexpected item in baggage area") then you are entitled to do so. If the other person carries on regardless, that may well be rape. However, there is no presumption in law that prospective partners must declare their current and previous gender identity before having sex. The trans person may successfully claim that the subject never came up, that they presumed consent in good faith and acted accordingly. It isn't rape just because you feel icky afterwards.
So you are saying its not rape if a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' rapes a woman.
 

Temujin

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So you are saying its not rape if a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' rapes a woman.
Adult literacy lessons are available. Alternatively you could stop lying about what people say. Rape doesn't depend on the sex or gender of either the perpetrator or the victim. It is also a fact that trans people of both genders are proportionately much more likely to be the victim than the perpetrator of sexual violence
 

BMS

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Adult literacy lessons are available.
Then please enrol yourself. Also take lessons in how to debate issues with people rather than merely spouting your own ideas or making personal observations and judgements on people. Alternatively you could stop lying about what people say.
Rape doesn't depend on the sex or gender of either the perpetrator or the victim.
Only you are thinking it does. The OP is about 'transpeople', people who pretend to be the opposite sex to what they are, having sex with others who don't know what sex they are. So man A would not have sex with man B, if he realised man B is a man and is deceiving him into thinking he is a woman.
That is what the thread is about.

It is also a fact that trans people of both genders
Let me stop you there. Men and women who call themselves 'trans. A 'trans' person isn't quantifiable, they are a man or a woman or intersex. There are apparently hundreds of these made up genders, so how does a two spirit penguin person rape a non-binary person without involving the male and female biological sex organs for penetration?

And here are my other outstanding questions, AGAIN
I asked whether a man having sex with a 'transwoman' would be homosexual, a homosexual encounter.? So which is it? Of course that would depend on whether the person who called themselves a 'transwoman' was a man or a woman. That is what hetero or homosexual means - sexual orientation towards either the opposite sex or the same sex. 'transwoman' isnt a biological sex, so 'transwoman' is irrelevant to the sexual orientation, its just that you said a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' could be a woman. OK?
 

Mr Laurier

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That was the point. Dont you get it?
You seem very fixated. I'm left to wonder if...
I've told you about Supersport, and his fixations.
So I shall just leave you with this... Those of us who are heterosexual, dont fixate on homosexuality.
 

BMS

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You seem very fixated. I'm left to wonder if...
I've told you about Supersport, and his fixations.
So I shall just leave you with this... Those of us who are heterosexual, dont fixate on homosexuality.
Yes you do, as soon as its criticised you ignore the criticism and make personal remarks about the other poster.
You cant even bring yourslef to acknowledge a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a man. Thats how obsessed you are
 

Mr Laurier

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Yes you do, as soon as its criticised you ignore the criticism and make personal remarks about the other poster.
You cant even bring yourslef to acknowledge a man who calls himself a 'transwoman' is a man. Thats how obsessed you are
Huh?
Wow. That is just pure projection.
You must have forgotten when you declared that I think that a person with a penis is a girl.
I'm not the one who makes everything a rant against trans people. You are.
 

BMS

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Huh?
Wow. That is just pure projection.
You must have forgotten when you declared that I think that a person with a penis is a girl.
I'm not the one who makes everything a rant against trans people. You are.
You ar
Huh?
Wow. That is just pure projection.
You must have forgotten when you declared that I think that a person with a penis is a girl.
I'm not the one who makes everything a rant against trans people.
The rant was against you. If you cant address points made I am.not interested
 

BMS

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What you call "points", are just pronouncements. And they seem very prone to being exposed as wrong.
What you call pronoucements are just points. And you cant address them.

couldnt make it any easier for anyone, the clue is in the question, a MAN who calls himself a' transwoman' is a MAN.
Why are you so obsessed as to not be able to acknowldge this?
 
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