That isn't the question. Again, you Protestants have such a penchant for turning everything into "essential" "necessary" "either/or."
That is because we want the truth. So, we ask questions--and mine was, IS obeying the Pope necessary for our salvation, yes or no?
What is absolutely necessary and essential for salvation is a relationship with Jesus Christ in some form. Everything else is secondary.
I am not Catholic because I think I will go to Hell if I am not Catholic; I am Catholic because it is only in Catholicism where I can have the fullest expression of my relationship with Jesus.
That is false. All true believers everywhere have an intimate relationship with Jesus Christ. But if you are referring obliquely to the Eucharist, there are several other churches that believe in the Real Presence.
Though---because I know in my heart that Catholicism is true, I am compelled to be Catholic. Since I know in my heart that Catholicism is true, I would be dammed if I left.
Know in your heart, huh? Do you know what the Bible says about the heart? From Jeremiah 17:
“Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who draws strength from mere flesh
and whose heart turns away from the Lord....
“But blessed is the one who trusts in the Lord,
whose confidence is in him...
The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
This is what many in your church do--they trust in MAN-their popes and magisterium--more than they do in Jesus Christ. They trust in Mary to help them--drawing "strength from mere flesh." Which leads them to put more trust and faith in dead saints, their leadership, and their priestess near goddess, Mary, than in Jesus Christ Himself.
And our hearts are sinful and deceitful; we cannot trust it to know the truth. We therefore trust the Lord and His Word, the Bible, for the truth. We should TRUST IN THE LORD with all our might and lean not onto our own understanding. Put trust in God in Christ Jesus and what the Bible teaches. NOT in what your church and its leadership has piled onto the true Gospel for centuries, burying it under man-made doctrines with no basis in Scripture.
I would not become atheist if the pope did those things; I would become atheist if the pope did those things and it was allowed to stand.
Which shows that you faith was more in your pope and your church than in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the cross. Because even if your church became even MORE heterodoxical than it already is, and did allow women priests, Jesus still remains. Jesus still lives. The Gospel still exists. Jesus still died on the cross and rose again from the dead, conquering sin, death, and the devil. He did ALL of those things OUTSIDE OF YOUR CHURCH. One can believe all of those things without belonging to the CC.
When Scripture says "The Church is the pillar of Truth" I believe it.
The true church, made up of all true believers everywhere, who trust and believe in Jesus Christ for salvation, great and free.
Yes, He means that His church, founded upon Himself, will never die. There will ALWAYS be some who will know and teach the truth. Even if your church body would fall and crumble into the sea, Jesus still remains. The true Gospel still remains, kept alive by those in the TRUE church of Jesus Christ, the body of all believers everywhere.When Jesus says "The gates of Hell will not prevail" I take him seriously.
Obviously if Jesus allows his Church to embrace heresy and teach it, he isn't much of a god now is he?
The CC is NOT HIS CHURCH. Catholics have been so indoctrinated to believe that, they they cannot see beyond their narrow Catholic glasses! They have been falsely taught that ONLY their church is the true one. Mormons think theirs is, too. So do JWs. So do other false churches. But guess what--Jesus and the truth STILL EXIST outside of your church body. JESUS AND HIS TRUTH WILL NEVER DIE. His word is truth and the word of the Lord endures forever.
And Protestantism is the fulfillment of "The gates of Hell will not prevail" well----there again, Jesus ain't much of a god now is he?
MORE baloney from the Catholic deli! HOW can Protestantism be the "gates of hell" prevailing against God's church when we are PART OF THE CHURCH?
Jesus didn't put truth above unity. And there are some divisions in your own church, friend--like those who want to have women ordained as priests.The one thing Jesus prayed for was unity; Protestantism is nothing but division upon division upon division each believing as they wish, doing as they wish--every time they get into a snit.
Bonnie---if you think that is what God intends for his Church, then you can have it--and you can have your God.
No, I don't think God intended that for His church--just as He didn't intend for His church to pray to dead saints; call Mary "only hope for sinners" and pray to her for help and succor...He didn't intend for people to believe that obeying the Pope is necessary for salvation; He didn't intend for the church to teach and believe that we are saved by grace through faith and our works, or to issue Indulgences, or believe in Purgatory; or to have the church centered in one man in Rome, who lives in a huge palace lavishly decorated with art....
We do not place our doctrines over the Bible. We believe them because they are revealed. Because they are revealed, it follows the Bible teaches them.
yes, your church does, since it "teaches for doctrine the commandments of men." Like Mariology; praying to dead saints; Indulgences, Purgatory; priests cannot get married....
Again, Bonnie, I take God seriously when He says that the Church is the pillar of truth and the gates of Hell will not prevail. What don't you understand about that?
So do I so it is really shameful when your church teaches false doctrines and tries to pan them off as the truth--and make believing some of them necessary for remaining in your church.
How do you know he did not? The unum sanctam came about due to a squabble between Pope Boniface VII and King Philip IV of France. Boniface was asserting that the spiritual is higher than the secular, and he did not want church privileges impeded by the King. The squabble also revolved around taxes, and who had the right to tax whom and how much. Thus came about the Unum Sanctam:That isn't what the pope meant? Care to tell me how you know this?
Unam sanctam is a papal bull that was issued by Pope Boniface VIII on 18 November 1302. It laid down dogmatic propositions on the unity of the Catholic Church, the necessity of belonging to it for eternal salvation, the position of the Pope as supreme head of the Church and the duty thence arising of submission to the Pope to belong to the Church and thus to attain salvation. The Pope further emphasised the higher position of the spiritual in comparison with the secular order. The historian Brian Tierney calls it "probably the most famous of all the documents on church and state that has [come] down to us from the Middle Ages".
Boniface interpreted it as a form of the concept of plenitudo potestatis (plenitude of power), that those who resist the Roman Pontiff resist God's ordination. In the 13th century, the canonists used the term plenitudo potestatis to characterize the power of the Pope within the church or, more rarely, his prerogative in the secular sphere. The bull declares that the Church must be united and the Pope was its sole and absolute head: "Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two heads like a monster".
The bull also stated, "We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal." The metaphor refers to the swords yielded by the Apostles upon Christ's arrest (Luke 22:38; Matthew 26:52). Early theologians believed that if there are two swords, one must be subordinate to the other, rungs in a spiritual hierarchical ladder: the spiritual judges the secular "on account of its greatness and sublimity", and the higher spiritual power judges the lower spiritual power etc. Thus, the bull concluded, the temporal authorities must submit to the spiritual authorities, not merely on matters concerning doctrine and morality: "For with truth as our witness, it belongs to spiritual power to establish the terrestrial power and to pass judgment if it has not been good". The bull ended, "Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.
Unam sanctam - Wikipedia
I guess the church back then had not heard of the "Two kingdom" concept, as Luther taught.
So, yes I think that is what Pope Boniface VIII meant.