Sigh. Another election....

[Bonnie]

It wouldn't be so bad, but for my husband and me, it really boils down to voting for the lesser of two evils. Even in Senate races. Though I am glad of the great turnout this year, despite the covid virus. My husband and I voted by mail, to avoid having to expose ourselves to a potential crowd, even though we live in a relatively small town.

I remember over 4 years ago, before the last election, seeing a New Yorker magazine from January 2016...the cover was a hoot. It showed Trump on a TV, being watched by former good (or relatively good) presidents, and their reaction to Trump. I will list the reactions, though I may not remember exactly who did what, but they all did something...

1. Washington had a hand over his mouth, as if he were going to hurl
2. Lincoln had a hand clapped over his eyes.
3. FDR's mouth had fallen open in shock, making his cigarette holder fall out
4. TDR's eyes had opened so wide, his pince-nez glasses had fallen off
5. Kennedy was popping either aspirin or Tums, I couldn't tell which

I know these guys were not perfect, especially in their private lives, but they still don't make presidents the way they used to...

 

[Torin]

I just don't want a civil war.

Life will go on if Trump wins, and life will go on if Biden wins. Life will not go on if there is a civil war.

 

[Bonnie]

Yep, like will go on, in these United States....

 

[Beloved Daughter]

I originally found this in one of Doris Kearns Goodwin's books. Political negativity and insults go all the way back to President Adams and His Vice President Thomas Jefferson.

Adams vs. Jefferson: The Birth of Negative Campaigning in the U.S.

Back in 1776, the dynamic duo had nothing but love and respect for one another. But by 1800, everything had changed.

www.mentalfloss.com

 

[bigthinker]

It wouldn't be so bad, but for my husband and me, it really boils down to voting for the lesser of two evils. Even in Senate races. Though I am glad of the great turnout this year, despite the covid virus. My husband and I voted by mail, to avoid having to expose ourselves to a potential crowd, even though we live in a relatively small town.

I remember over 4 years ago, before the last election, seeing a New Yorker magazine from January 2016...the cover was a hoot. It showed Trump on a TV, being watched by former good (or relatively good) presidents, and their reaction to Trump. I will list the reactions, though I may not remember exactly who did what, but they all did something...

1. Washington had a hand over his mouth, as if he were going to hurl
2. Lincoln had a hand clapped over his eyes.
3. FDR's mouth had fallen open in shock, making his cigarette holder fall out
4. TDR's eyes had opened so wide, his pince-nez glasses had fallen off
5. Kennedy was popping either aspirin or Tums, I couldn't tell which

I know these guys were not perfect, especially in their private lives, but they still don't make presidents the way they used to...

If "they don't make presidents the way they used to" it might be that they don't make Americans like they used to.

 

[SteveB]

I just don't want a civil war.

Life will go on if Trump wins, and life will go on if Biden wins. Life will not go on if there is a civil war.

Seems like there's already a civil war.
The likes of BLM/Antifa have been committing atrocious acts of violence for months now.

 

[The Pixie]

Seems like there's already a civil war.
The likes of BLM/Antifa have been committing atrocious acts of violence for months now.

Are you aware that BLM is in response to atrocious acts of violence?

Or is your point that it is only civil wars when both sides are committing atrocious acts of violence?

 

[Temujin]

Are you aware that BLM is in response to atrocious acts of violence?

Or is your point that it is only civil wars when both sides are committing atrocious acts of violence?

Surely you realise that atrocious acts of violence are only committed by the other side. What your own side does is always justified retaliation and self-defence. This is how we know that American forces never ever commit war crimes.

 

[SteveB]

Are you aware that BLM is in response to atrocious acts of violence?

Rather ironic that they're responding to violence by using violence.
Apparently Martin Luther King's message never reached them.
It's curious how their leaders are claiming to be trained marxists.

Or is your point that it is only civil wars when both sides are committing atrocious acts of violence?

That would make it easier for you to justify your beliefs, wouldn't it!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It wouldn't be so bad, but for my husband and me, it really boils down to voting for the lesser of two evils. Even in Senate races. Though I am glad of the great turnout this year, despite the covid virus. My husband and I voted by mail, to avoid having to expose ourselves to a potential crowd, even though we live in a relatively small town.

I remember over 4 years ago, before the last election, seeing a New Yorker magazine from January 2016...the cover was a hoot. It showed Trump on a TV, being watched by former good (or relatively good) presidents, and their reaction to Trump. I will list the reactions, though I may not remember exactly who did what, but they all did something...

1. Washington had a hand over his mouth, as if he were going to hurl
2. Lincoln had a hand clapped over his eyes.
3. FDR's mouth had fallen open in shock, making his cigarette holder fall out
4. TDR's eyes had opened so wide, his pince-nez glasses had fallen off
5. Kennedy was popping either aspirin or Tums, I couldn't tell which

I know these guys were not perfect, especially in their private lives, but they still don't make presidents the way they used to...

 

[LifeIn]

Rather ironic that they're responding to violence by using violence.
Apparently Martin Luther King's message never reached them.

One of Martin Luther King's messages was:

Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Are you aware that BLM is in response to atrocious acts of violence?

Or is your point that it is only civil wars when both sides are committing atrocious acts of violence?

It is hate driven. The Devil has people packed with hatred.

Young Mother Shot and Killed By Black Lives Matter Supporters After Saying 'All Lives Matter'​

They stalked her and killed her. Nothing your hate groups can do to justify that.

 

[The Pixie]

It is hate driven. The Devil has people packed with hatred.

anything that rocks the status quo of white Christians mustr be thge work of Satan. No way would God want those uppity blacks getting equalityt, right? He was all for keeping them as slaves, afterall.

 

[The Pixie]

Rather ironic that they're responding to violence by using violence.
Apparently Martin Luther King's message never reached them.

Maybe they respond with violence because all else has failed. Racial violence against blacks has been going on for over a century, and is still going on.

Violence is the last resort of the desperate, and they are desperate. Why have white Christians not done anything about it in over a century? Why are white Christians even today focusing on the violence blacks commit and ignoring the reasons for that?

How many white Christians supported segregation? When segregation was stopped in the sixties, white Christians set up numerous faith schools specifically so they could send their white Christian children to schools that excluded black kids. This attitude is the root of the issue. The BLM movement and the violence you object to is a react to that.

 

[SteveB]

Maybe they respond with violence because all else has failed. Racial violence against blacks has been going on for over a century, and is still going on.

So, you think that violence is appropriate?

Violence is the last resort of the desperate, and they are desperate. Why have white Christians not done anything about it in over a century? Why are white Christians even today focusing on the violence blacks commit and ignoring the reasons for that?

What is it that white christians are supposed to have done?

How many white Christians supported segregation? When segregation was stopped in the sixties, white Christians set up numerous faith schools specifically so they could send their white Christian children to schools that excluded black kids. This attitude is the root of the issue. The BLM movement and the violence you object to is a react to that.

From what I'm seeing, black college students are the ones who are promoting segregation nowadays.
As for what I've done to resolve this attitude, I'm married to a black woman, and have been for over 30 years now. I treat her, and various family members with dignity and respect.
I further treat friends who are black with dignity and respect.
And what strikes me as ironic is that several men from numerous African countries have friended me on facebook, and we talk on a regular basis. One of whom is a muslim. We have daily conversations on messenger, engaging in regular banter, about how each other are doing, work, family, etc....

So..... how about you explain what it is that white christians were supposed to be doing to begin with.

 

[bigthinker]

Seems like there's already a civil war.
The likes of BLM/Antifa have been committing atrocious acts of violence for months now.

such as?
Do you consider public servants shooting unarmed Americans an atrocious act?

 

[SteveB]

such as?
Do you consider public servants shooting unarmed Americans an atrocious act?

I'm more concerned about the violence perpetrated by BLM and antifa than getting shot by the police.

 

[bigthinker]

I'm more concerned about the violence perpetrated by BLM and antifa than getting shot by the police.

Ah, that's a very self-centric answer.
Why aren't you concerned?
Do you think you would you be more concerned if you were black?

 

[SteveB]

Ah, that's a very self-centric answer.
Why aren't you concerned?
Do you think you would you be more concerned if you were black?

Well... let's see. I have black family.... none of them have been harassed by police, unless they've actually violated the law.
I have black friends. One or two of whom are now retired police officers, and lived/worked in metro-areas.
they were never harassed, unless they violated the law.

So..... am I supposed to believe a complete stranger, who hasn't even provided statistics on this matter, or my black wife, her extended family, and friends, I've had for 30+ years?

Even my friends who are in law enforcement have said--- if you don't want to be harassed, don't break the law. If a police officer instructs you to stop, drop, etc...... OBEY their commands.
I've seen several memes on this by black actors, comics, etc... and they all say the same thing---- OBEY their instructions!

Unless of course you prefer becoming a martyr for stupidity.

 

[shnarkle]

It is hate driven. The Devil has people packed with hatred.



They stalked her and killed her. Nothing your hate groups can do to justify that.

I don't watch television at all anymore; cut the cable almost 20 years ago, but occasionally someone will send me a clip of something. I've seen three separate clips of either BLM or antifa chasing down people for simply 1. wearing a maga hat; 2. claiming that all lives matter, and 3. defending private property, and attempting to put out a dumpster fire. They were literally yelling to kill him or "brain him" to death. The video shows him being beaten, and one guy pulling a pistol out to shoot him. The kid then, (and this is what I find incomprehensibly amazing) according to his attorney, he aimed to maim rather than kill the guy with the gun. Regardless, the kid was defending himself from being murdered by a mob. I think he may still be in jail.
That's the world we live in today. I told a neighbor of mine a few years ago that it won't matter how many guns you have if you don't have any ammunition. He just told me today that he can't find anyone who is selling ammunition anymore. I told him, he might as well turn over his guns when they come for them because he can't use them anyways.

I then told him, he might want to consider getting out of the country before that happens because after they come for his guns, they're going to pop a cap into his head as well, or he'll starve, or he'll mysteriously get sick, maybe right after getting a mandatory vaccine, etc.