Simply Take God At His Word

You have been hoodwinked in believing that the mass is necessary. The teaching of the Eucharist keeps Catholic in bondage believing they can never leave the RCC. I believed it for over 50 years because that is what I was taught by the RCC. Praise be to God that Jesus set me free when He showed me the truth through His Word. For whom the Son sets free is free indeed.
The Mass was being observed in Tradition well before anyone had the bible. The early Fathers speak extensively about the ritual. Irenaeus of Lyons for example in the 2nd century addressing the Gnostics who's side you have taken...

He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying, "This is my Body" ." The cup likewise, which is from among the creation to which we belong, He confessed to be His Blood.

He taught The New Sacrifice of the new Covenant, of which Malachi, one of the twelve prophets, had signified beforehand: [quotes Mal 1:10-11]. By these words He makes it plain that the former people will cease to make offerings to God; but that in every place sacrifice will be offered to Him, and indeed, a pure one; for His name is glorified among the Gentiles. (Against Heresies 4:17:5)


Tertullian also in the 2nd century addresses the concern of some about whether receiving the Eucharist would break the fast...

Likewise, in regard to days of fast, many do not think they should be present at the SACRIFICIAL prayers, because their fast would be broken if they were to receive THE BODY OF THE LORDTHE BODY OF THE LORD HAVING BEEN RECEIVED AND RESERVED, each point is secured: both the participation IN THE SACRIFICE(Prayer 19:1)

You would have to believe that the Church got it wrong right from the beginning and throughout 2000 years of evangelisation to be consistent.
 
The Mass was being observed in Tradition well before anyone had the bible. The early Fathers speak extensively about the ritual. Irenaeus of Lyons for example in the 2nd century addressing the Gnostics who's side you have taken...

He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying, "This is my Body" ." The cup likewise, which is from among the creation to which we belong, He confessed to be His Blood.

He taught The New Sacrifice of the new Covenant, of which Malachi, one of the twelve prophets, had signified beforehand: [quotes Mal 1:10-11]. By these words He makes it plain that the former people will cease to make offerings to God; but that in every place sacrifice will be offered to Him, and indeed, a pure one; for His name is glorified among the Gentiles. (Against Heresies 4:17:5)


Tertullian also in the 2nd century addresses the concern of some about whether receiving the Eucharist would break the fast...

Likewise, in regard to days of fast, many do not think they should be present at the SACRIFICIAL prayers, because their fast would be broken if they were to receive THE BODY OF THE LORDTHE BODY OF THE LORD HAVING BEEN RECEIVED AND RESERVED, each point is secured: both the participation IN THE SACRIFICE(Prayer 19:1)

You would have to believe that the Church got it wrong right from the beginning and throughout 2000 years of evangelisation to be consistent.
Not the RCC false mass. The scriptures were written well before those you posted. Your institution wasn't there when scripture was written or at the start of the real church.
 
Christ offered one sacrifice and is set down at the right hand of God; he is not sitting at the right hand continually being offered.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
You concept of time is in this physical world. God is eternal, and therefore doesn’t exist or act in the flow of time. God exists outside of time and therefore is not subject to time. To God, everything in time is in the 'eternal now', no past, present, or future. Here is a more accurate rendering....

Hebrew 8: 1 And here we come to the very pith of our argument. This high priest of ours is one who has taken his seat in heaven, on the right hand of that throne where God sits in majesty, 2 MINISTERING, NOW, in the sanctuary, in that true tabernacle which the Lord, not man, has set up.[1] 3 After all, if it is the very function of a priest to offer gift and sacrifice, he too must needs have an offering to make. (The Knox Bible)

Right, Jesus makes intercession, he is not being continually offered.

Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Jesus is not only the high priest but also the lamb of God.
 
You concept of time is in this physical world. God is eternal, and therefore doesn’t exist or act in the flow of time. God exists outside of time and therefore is not subject to time. To God, everything in time is in the 'eternal now', no past, present, or future. Here is a more accurate rendering....

Hebrew 8: 1 And here we come to the very pith of our argument. This high priest of ours is one who has taken his seat in heaven, on the right hand of that throne where God sits in majesty, 2 MINISTERING, NOW, in the sanctuary, in that true tabernacle which the Lord, not man, has set up.[1] 3 After all, if it is the very function of a priest to offer gift and sacrifice, he too must needs have an offering to make. (The Knox Bible)

Jesus is not only the high priest but also the lamb of God.
Yet God put us in this physical world and He made the day and night so He made this flow of time that we have.
 
What Hebrews is comparing are the sacrifices of the OT priests which were done repeatedly, with the one sacrifice of Jesus that culminated in everlasting glory and offered continually in heaven on our behalf (Heb. 8:1-3). Jesus is our priest in heaven interceding in our behalf.

It doesn’t mean that because of this one time sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, everyone will get to heaven. What Jesus merited by his sacrifice on the cross needs be applied to the individual
The Bible is full of comparisons, ram. Read all of Hebrews and simply take God at His Word.

"For Christ did not go into a man-made Holy Place, which was a copy of the real one. He went into heaven itself, where he now appears on our behalf in the presence of God." Hebrews 9: 24
 
The Bible is full of comparisons, ram. Read all of Hebrews and simply take God at His Word.

"For Christ did not go into a man-made Holy Place, which was a copy of the real one. He went into heaven itself, where he now appears on our behalf in the presence of God." Hebrews 9: 24
God sent his only begotten Son to be our Priest and Victim, to offer the sacrifice that would truly ransom us and constitute us as worthy participants in that sacrifice. The perfect sacrifice of Jesus was his total obedience to the Father. In the old testament, true worship of God involves sacrifice. The sacrifice of Jesus, as man, is an act of worship.
 
So, in other words, you are truthfully saying that the Church of Roman Catholicism simply will not, can not, nor does it impart the blessed truth of simply taking God at His Word.
what the church treaches is that redemption is universal but salvation is individual. the individual has to ask himself... How does Jesus Christ work out his redemption in individuals?
 
what the church treaches is that redemption is universal but salvation is individual. the individual has to ask himself... How does Jesus Christ work out his redemption in individuals?
If redemption was universal then that means all would be saved.
 
Did anyone say that? The point was that the mass is in direct contradiction to scripture. Why go to mass day after day for propitiation when it was done once on the cross. As Paul would say you've nullified grace.
redemption is not salvation.
one can choose to reject the graces won by Christ even though one has been redeemed.
 
redemption is not salvation.
one can choose to reject the graces won by Christ even though one has been redeemed.

Interesting so one is redeemed but not saved? Isn't that the very definition of redemption?

The dictionary defines redemption as: 1. the action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. 2. the action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt. from biblestudytools
 
Wow! Yes, I see now! Yeah-- so we don't need the Mass right? :rolleyes:
No, we don't need Catholic masses. We need worship services, where Law and Gospel and Christ crucified for sinners and raised for our justification are clearly preached. And part of that would be the Lord's Supper--but it is a sacrament, not a sacrifice. We do not offer up the Eucharist as a sacrifice to God. Jesus died ONCE for all time.
All we need is Pastor Bob to "preach the Word" to us as his Bible Church of fun now.
That doesn't describe my church at all. I can't stand all of those more modern happy-clappy church services that are more entertainment than worship. Our church services are always focused on Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the cross and why.
 
You concept of time is in this physical world. God is eternal, and therefore doesn’t exist or act in the flow of time. God exists outside of time and therefore is not subject to time. To God, everything in time is in the 'eternal now', no past, present, or future.
Christ's death, burial, resurrection happened once; it is not, as you imply, 'eternal now'.


Here is a more accurate rendering....

Hebrew 8: 1 And here we come to the very pith of our argument. This high priest of ours is one who has taken his seat in heaven, on the right hand of that throne where God sits in majesty, 2 MINISTERING, NOW, in the sanctuary, in that true tabernacle which the Lord, not man, has set up.[1] 3 After all, if it is the very function of a priest to offer gift and sacrifice, he too must needs have an offering to make. (The Knox Bible)


Jesus is not only the high priest but also the lamb of God.
" 2 MINISTERING, NOW, in the sanctuary, in that true tabernacle which the Lord, not man, has set up."
.......
That leaves out RCC's man-made altar, cross, tabernacle, wafer, priests garments, statues, ....
 
The Mass was being observed in Tradition well before anyone had the bible. The early Fathers speak extensively about the ritual. Irenaeus of Lyons for example in the 2nd century addressing the Gnostics who's side you have taken...

He took from among creation that which is bread, and gave thanks, saying, "This is my Body" ." The cup likewise, which is from among the creation to which we belong, He confessed to be His Blood.

He taught The New Sacrifice of the new Covenant, of which Malachi, one of the twelve prophets, had signified beforehand: [quotes Mal 1:10-11]. By these words He makes it plain that the former people will cease to make offerings to God; but that in every place sacrifice will be offered to Him, and indeed, a pure one; for His name is glorified among the Gentiles. (Against Heresies 4:17:5)


Tertullian also in the 2nd century addresses the concern of some about whether receiving the Eucharist would break the fast...

Likewise, in regard to days of fast, many do not think they should be present at the SACRIFICIAL prayers, because their fast would be broken if they were to receive THE BODY OF THE LORDTHE BODY OF THE LORD HAVING BEEN RECEIVED AND RESERVED, each point is secured: both the participation IN THE SACRIFICE(Prayer 19:1)

You would have to believe that the Church got it wrong right from the beginning and throughout 2000 years of evangelisation to be consistent.
The early Church did not get it wrong. It was the RCC that got it wrong.
 
No you dont or you would not be a member of the RCC. You take the RCC at their word.
But you do not take your own sect at its word, right?

Yes you do. Your pastor preaches, you agree with his preaching, therefore you conclude what he is preaching is Biblical.
That is why you need to be truly be "Born Again" so that your mind would be renewed and understand the things of God.
I agree that one needs to be Born Again to understand the things of God.

You seem to assume that anything you agree with is biblical, anything you do not agree with is not biblical.
 
But you do not take your own sect at its word, right?

Yes you do. Your pastor preaches, you agree with his preaching, therefore you conclude what he is preaching is Biblical.

I agree that one needs to be Born Again to understand the things of God.

You seem to assume that anything you agree with is biblical, anything you do not agree with is not biblical.
What my Pastor preaches must align with Gods Word or else I do not receive it. We are to test everything with Gods Word.
 
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