On our behalf? God sent Jesus as example for who we are supposed to be in Him as Jesus was in Him and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did.No Jesus did not lie. Good grief! How could God instruct us to do anything less than to be perfect? For Him to suggest we be the best we can be is to lower His standard of perfection. You missed the obvious impossibility of our being perfect. That is the entire reason we must look to and depend on the perfect performance of Jesus Christ on our behalf!
Agreed and is clear we see that we who are born of God cannot sin, impossible to be in sin.As for being like Him when we see Him, you won't find that at 1 John 3: 9.
Thats what I said. When you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him.I believe you meant 1John 3: 2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
This is the case when you see Him as He is this day.This will indeed be the case as we meet our Lord at the resurrection, exactly as it states.
He has not appeared to you yet has He? But He is at your door knocking this day.How you missed that is a mystery to me, Look at it carefully: "...it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him..."
Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me
That is a gross interpretation. But if you knew Him you would know that in Ch3 He takes away the sins of this world. there is noting to practice if there is noting there to practice. And either you are born of God, born again of Him, sin is out the window.As for 1 John 3:9 You appear to have ignored the context of the verse: 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
Please note in V 8 if you are a sinner who you are of.Please note The lifestyle of one who makes a practice of sin as described in verse 9 and or one who abides in such a lifestyle practice is the only real indicator for us to understand that such a person is likely not born of God. Just as obvious are those is verse 10: "...obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother."
The atheists outlook does not believe in God at all, and they do not believe God can perfect them as He is perfect, and they do not believe you can be born of God thy as you do not believe He takes away the sins of this word, and they do not believe God can come to you and open all of His heaven to you as He did in Jesus and others, and they do not believe that God can be in them and He in you as one. They do not believe the same shall follow those who are born of God. And the list goes on.You accused me with the charge: "You defend the atheists outlook..." while in fact, it would be the atheist who would be more prone to say their performance is good enough, having no view of their true fallen nature and need for Christ as their advocate.
You scharge me as being atheist when in fact you are the one who changes His intent for you to be like Him and that your god may obey you in your own rules to regulate what he can and cannot do.
As for me I am born of Go, He ion me and I in Him are one John 17, and in that if I say I am of God yet a sinner then that makes God and me a liar for to be in Christ it is impossible to be in sin, it is those as yourself who are outside of Christ and the sinner.
No I do not suggest that at all, God demands that of you that He takes away your sin if you are to be of Him and prefect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. If you are not perfect as He is and a sinner then you flat out deny Him to do so and is not your Father at all.For you to suggest that we can live our lives untouched by sin on this side of Heaven is to diminish the very Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, on which we must continually depend in every step in our walk of faith.
You cant walk as He walks in His same light if you are a sinner, if that was so that would make His light sin. You dont have a clue what you are talking about.
The work of the Lord Jesus Christ is the same works we all have who is of Christ. You just haven't figured out yet that Christ means Gods anointed, Christ in you is Gods anointing in you no different from the anointing Jesus lived in the Father at all. You never have met the Christ is the problem in your understanding that is very obvious because you continually try and explain away why you cant be like Him as Jesus was like Him.
Did you not examine 1 John 3 where He takes away the sins of this world? You just dont believe 1 John 3 is the real truth.Did you really examine the article content with your Bible open? Did you not notice:
The Bible is not saying that we don’t sin. Those verses in 1 John are talking about abiding in sin. That is not what Christians do. In fact, 1 John earlier in the same epistle states the following.
Notice that John the apostle includes himself in the issue of sinning. Are the sinless perfectionist people more holy than John the apostle? I think not.
- 1 John 1:8, “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.”
- 1 John 2:1, “My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”
You should read the whole chapter instead of taking a couple lines completly out of context.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Not in Him there is no darkness, and either you are in Him or you are not. And for your information sin is darkness, righteousness is light.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
You walk in the darkness of sin just as you say. I walk in His light that is without sin as He takes away.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Cleanses us from all sin? Ask yourself -- Why cant he do that for you?
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If you walk in that darkness of sin as you say you do, and say you are of Christ, that is a total lie for it is impossible to be in Christ and be in sin. 1 John 3:9.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Most confess their sins as you do but never repent from them. He really does cleans those who will receieve Him in His way for righteousness from sin. You just dont believe Him and try and explain Him away.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
All have sinned. Note the ED at the end of sin, past participle. I was a sinner now I am the righteousness of God in Christ who is without sin.
It really is impossible to be in Christ and be in sin. You just never have been in Christ, anointed of God, is why you are the sinner.
Paul teaches you to be the sinner not Jesus.
Had to post this in two parts