SINNING WILLFULLY

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Him

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Because of being sanctified by His blood and perfected by His Law in our hearts and minds we therefore have Boldness to enter into the holiest of all through the veil, that is to say His flesh. Let us hold fast this profession of our faith. That we are sanctified and perfected. Considering one another, provoking unto love, good works and exhorting one another as we see the day approaching. For, BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS JUST SHARED. IF WE ARE SINNING WILLFULLY after receiving the knowledge of us being SANCTIFIED through Christ's blood AND PERFECTED through the New Covenant there remains no more sacrifice for sin. ONLY a certain fearful looking forward to judgement and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries Those who are sinning willfully, trodding underfoot the Son of God, and counting the blood of the covenant in which we were sanctified an unholy thing and has done despite upon the Spirit of Grace.

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
 
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Gary Mac

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Not many know what sin actually is -- Sin is separation from God, sin not being like Him, sin is in opposition to be like Him and have His same mind and walk in it as He walks in it.
 
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Yakuda

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Him said:
Because of being sanctified by His blood and perfected by His Law in our hearts and minds we therefore have Boldness to enter into the holiest of all through the veil, that is to say His flesh. Let us hold fast this profession of our faith. That we are sanctified and perfected. Considering one another, provoking unto love, good works and exhorting one another as we see the day approaching. For, BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS JUST SHARED. IF WE ARE SINNING WILLFULLY after receiving the knowledge of us being SANCTIFIED through Christ's blood AND PERFECTED through the New Covenant there remains no more sacrifice for sin. ONLY a certain fearful looking forward to judgement and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries Those who are sinning willfully, trodding underfoot the Son of God, and counting the blood of the covenant in which we were sanctified an unholy thing and has done despite upon the Spirit of Grace.

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
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Not sure what this all means. Sin by definition requires the consent of the will. Human beings are infallible and sin even after "being saved".
 
tdidymas

tdidymas

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Him said:
Because of being sanctified by His blood and perfected by His Law in our hearts and minds we therefore have Boldness to enter into the holiest of all through the veil, that is to say His flesh. Let us hold fast this profession of our faith. That we are sanctified and perfected. Considering one another, provoking unto love, good works and exhorting one another as we see the day approaching. For, BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS JUST SHARED. IF WE ARE SINNING WILLFULLY after receiving the knowledge of us being SANCTIFIED through Christ's blood AND PERFECTED through the New Covenant there remains no more sacrifice for sin. ONLY a certain fearful looking forward to judgement and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversaries Those who are sinning willfully, trodding underfoot the Son of God, and counting the blood of the covenant in which we were sanctified an unholy thing and has done despite upon the Spirit of Grace.

Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:26 For if we are sinning wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
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The context of this is the theme running throughout Heb. which is having faith in Christ, and what the next chapter (11) is about. So, the "sinning willfully" is specifically the sin of unbelief, that is, not obeying the gospel message (Heb. 4:11). The writer of Heb. doesn't change the subject in the entire sermon, so I'd say this theme is the main theme of the whole message (which makes it evangelistic).

So then, the one who is sinning willfully, trodding underfoot the Son of God, putting Him to open shame, counting the blood of the covenant unholy, and despising the Spirit of grace, is the one who says "NO" to the gospel message. Such a one believes his own way is better than what the gospel declares. Such people might be oblivious to its truth (as Paul describes in 1 Cor. 1), or they might feel the wrath of God (John 3:36) and have not the wisdom to obey the gospel or have ears to hear the hope in it.
 
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Gary Mac

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Yakuda said:
Not sure what this all means. Sin by definition requires the consent of the will. Human beings are infallible and sin even after "being saved".
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Yakuda said:
Not sure what this all means. Sin by definition requires the consent of the will. Human beings are infallible and sin even after "being saved".
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Actually salvation is from sin, salvation is to be born of Gods Spirit, and those who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9. He takes away the sins of this world and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3.

Sin is to be separated from God
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
Actually salvation is from sin, salvation is to be born of Gods Spirit, and those who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9. He takes away the sins of this world and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3.

Sin is to be separated from God
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I don't disagree that sin is separation from God.

So I suspect you have received salvation is that correct?
 
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Gary Mac

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Yakuda said:
So the answer to my question is "Yes"?
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Yes.
Yakuda said:
If so then are you telling me you no longer sin?
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If you are of Christ -- born of God, anointed of God, which is His salvation -- it is impossible to be in sin, 1 John 3:9 clearly states. I can't be of Christ and be of sin.

This is the message Jesus tries to get over to folk, Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. That is not a request it is a commandment if one is to be of God. And you can't be of God and be of sin, if you say you are of Christ yet a sinner then that makes Christ that you say you are of a sinner does it not?

How can one say he is of Christ yet a sinner? Is it not because these do not know the Christ, never met the Christ to know what righteousness really is and what sin really is? But when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3, Does being like Him include being a sinner?

The problemem in this is people follow the teachings of Paul who teaches you are a sinner instead of Christ who teaches that in Christ there is no sin. And that is exactly why I follow Jesus instead of Paul. Paul tried to adopt himself by laws he established into Gods Christ instead of being born of God himself. He said you are adopted but Jesus demands that you be born of God, born again just as he was in Matt 3:16. That is the only way one can be born of the God who is Spirit and that Spirit simply is Love, Holy Love, or Holy Spirit as the mind is called.

Christ is the disopsition of the one who is anointed of God, same mind, same walk as He walks in His same light, He in you and you in Him as one, John 17, and Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of god doesn't come with observation but is within you. Gods kingdom is without sin.

Most has not heard the message of Christ, all they have heard is the laws for the creeds they follow called denominations. Ask any of them if they follow the way of Jesus and perfect even as your Father is perfect, holy, pure and without sin and see if they actually follow the way of Jesus to be like the father of it.

Not many follow Jesus n his way, his truth, and his life, to live it as he was clear no one comes to the Father except his way in the Father. And either you live the way the truth and the life as Jesus lived it or you do not.
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
Yes.

If you are of Christ -- born of God, anointed of God, which is His salvation -- it is impossible to be in sin, 1 John 3:9 clearly states. I can't be of Christ and be of sin.

This is the message Jesus tries to get over to folk, Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. That is not a request it is a commandment if one is to be of God. And you can't be of God and be of sin, if you say you are of Christ yet a sinner then that makes Christ that you say you are of a sinner does it not?

How can one say he is of Christ yet a sinner? Is it not because these do not know the Christ, never met the Christ to know what righteousness really is and what sin really is? But when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3, Does being like Him include being a sinner?

The problemem in this is people follow the teachings of Paul who teaches you are a sinner instead of Christ who teaches that in Christ there is no sin. And that is exactly why I follow Jesus instead of Paul. Paul tried to adopt himself by laws he established into Gods Christ instead of being born of God himself. He said you are adopted but Jesus demands that you be born of God, born again just as he was in Matt 3:16. That is the only way one can be born of the God who is Spirit and that Spirit simply is Love, Holy Love, or Holy Spirit as the mind is called.

Christ is the disopsition of the one who is anointed of God, same mind, same walk as He walks in His same light, He in you and you in Him as one, John 17, and Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of god doesn't come with observation but is within you. Gods kingdom is without sin.

Most has not heard the message of Christ, all they have heard is the laws for the creeds they follow called denominations. Ask any of them if they follow the way of Jesus and perfect even as your Father is perfect, holy, pure and without sin and see if they actually follow the way of Jesus to be like the father of it.

Not many follow Jesus n his way, his truth, and his life, to live it as he was clear no one comes to the Father except his way in the Father. And either you live the way the truth and the life as Jesus lived it or you do not.
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So you no longer sin?
 
Terry43

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Gary Mac said:
Yes.

If you are of Christ -- born of God, anointed of God, which is His salvation -- it is impossible to be in sin, 1 John 3:9 clearly states. I can't be of Christ and be of sin.

This is the message Jesus tries to get over to folk, Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. That is not a request it is a commandment if one is to be of God. And you can't be of God and be of sin, if you say you are of Christ yet a sinner then that makes Christ that you say you are of a sinner does it not?

How can one say he is of Christ yet a sinner? Is it not because these do not know the Christ, never met the Christ to know what righteousness really is and what sin really is? But when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3, Does being like Him include being a sinner?

The problemem in this is people follow the teachings of Paul who teaches you are a sinner instead of Christ who teaches that in Christ there is no sin. And that is exactly why I follow Jesus instead of Paul. Paul tried to adopt himself by laws he established into Gods Christ instead of being born of God himself. He said you are adopted but Jesus demands that you be born of God, born again just as he was in Matt 3:16. That is the only way one can be born of the God who is Spirit and that Spirit simply is Love, Holy Love, or Holy Spirit as the mind is called.

Christ is the disopsition of the one who is anointed of God, same mind, same walk as He walks in His same light, He in you and you in Him as one, John 17, and Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of god doesn't come with observation but is within you. Gods kingdom is without sin.

Most has not heard the message of Christ, all they have heard is the laws for the creeds they follow called denominations. Ask any of them if they follow the way of Jesus and perfect even as your Father is perfect, holy, pure and without sin and see if they actually follow the way of Jesus to be like the father of it.

Not many follow Jesus n his way, his truth, and his life, to live it as he was clear no one comes to the Father except his way in the Father. And either you live the way the truth and the life as Jesus lived it or you do not.
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Are you making a distinction of sinning and being in sin"?
 
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Gary Mac

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Gary Mac said:
If you are of Christ -- born of God, anointed of God, which is His salvation -- it is impossible to be in sin, 1 John 3:9 clearly states. I can't be of Christ and be of sin.

This is the message Jesus tries to get over to folk, Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. That is not a request it is a commandment if one is to be of God. And you can't be of God and be of sin, if you say you are of Christ yet a sinner then that makes Christ that you say you are of a sinner does it not?

How can one say he is of Christ yet a sinner? Is it not because these do not know the Christ, never met the Christ to know what righteousness really is and what sin really is? But when you do see Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3, Does being like Him include being a sinner?

The problemem in this is people follow the teachings of Paul who teaches you are a sinner instead of Christ who teaches that in Christ there is no sin. And that is exactly why I follow Jesus instead of Paul. Paul tried to adopt himself by laws he established into Gods Christ instead of being born of God himself. He said you are adopted but Jesus demands that you be born of God, born again just as he was in Matt 3:16. That is the only way one can be born of the God who is Spirit and that Spirit simply is Love, Holy Love, or Holy Spirit as the mind is called.

Christ is the disopsition of the one who is anointed of God, same mind, same walk as He walks in His same light, He in you and you in Him as one, John 17, and Jesus was very clear that the kingdom of god doesn't come with observation but is within you. Gods kingdom is without sin.

Most has not heard the message of Christ, all they have heard is the laws for the creeds they follow called denominations. Ask any of them if they follow the way of Jesus and perfect even as your Father is perfect, holy, pure and without sin and see if they actually follow the way of Jesus to be like the father of it.

Not many follow Jesus n his way, his truth, and his life, to live it as he was clear no one comes to the Father except his way in the Father. And either you live the way the truth and the life as Jesus lived it or you do not.
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Terry43 said:
Are you making a distinction of sinning and being in sin"?
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Im trying to but difficult if one only knows the law for sin and can't be identified with the laws for Spirit, which are not the same laws at all.

Jesus was accused of being a sinner, blasphemer, sabbath breaker, wine bibber, glutton to the ones who held those laws that condemned Jesus in sin. He was made to be sin because of those laws and by identification with them. The law is sin exampled in the laws Jesus was guilty of breaking.

We have the very same here in this forum. To most here I am heretic because of the same way Jesus was a heretic and accused of.

So to some I am a sinner because of their laws they have established to govern a belief, but to God He in me and I in Him are one. And that very statement will condemn me as a blasphemer to many here. SO to these yes I am a sinner, but to God I walk as He walks in His same light and that does not include sin, for He takes away the sins of this world, not many believe it though, just ask them if they are a sinner and see if they are of God or of their laws to govern their beliefs for a god.

Jesus was not ignorant of the law, he taught it in the temples at a young age, ironic is the very ones he once taught for about 20 years are the very ones who accused him of heresy and had him crucified for it. He changed from the law to Spirit in Matt 3:16, a great change came over him that is very obvious in his trials and tribulations;ations. He tagged this opening as born again. Jesus was once reverend as a great teacher of the law then became a rebel and an outcast to the religious folk.

Sin? It is a matter of perspective isn't it? Look how those of the day saw Jesus. His very own disciples flat-out denied him to be identified with him in his trials and tribulations. Not one came to be identified with him . No different today. Few who can identify with what God put in Jesus from lack in having the same themselves.
 
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Him

Him

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tdidymas said:
The context of this is the theme running throughout Heb. which is having faith in Christ, and what the next chapter (11) is about. So, the "sinning willfully" is specifically the sin of unbelief,
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No it's not. It is sin in general.
 
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Slyzr said:
Like noun sin?
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That is a good question.
In 1Jo 1:8 the word sin is a noun, a state of being not in action.
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and we walk in darkness, we lie and are not practicing the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of His Son Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us. My little children, I write these things to you so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
(1Jn 1:6-2:1 LITV)
 
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Slyzr

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Him said:
That is a good question.
In 1Jo 1:8 the word sin is a noun, a state of being not in action.
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and we walk in darkness, we lie and are not practicing the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of His Son Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us. My little children, I write these things to you so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
(1Jn 1:6-2:1 LITV)
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Then why the encumbrance of the man called sin.

Was he to teach us not to sin?

Ya ... something like that.....

So we are to sin to never be ever again.

err .... let me check my notes.

Errr ... not really it was meant to be an ensample.

So I can not live because some one had an ensample; regarding how not.


Errr ... I think we have a bad connection.

Your fading out .... fading out ....
 
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Gary Mac

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Him said:
That is a good question.
In 1Jo 1:8 the word sin is a noun, a state of being not in action.
If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and we walk in darkness, we lie and are not practicing the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of His Son Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us. My little children, I write these things to you so that you do not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
(1Jn 1:6-2:1 LITV)
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And read on to CH 3. He comes and takes away the sins of this world and when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him. In V9 we who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin.

That is the only way Jesus commandment to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect can be fulfilled is if ye be like Him who is perfect.
 
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