SINNING WILLFULLY

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G. Duval

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Gary Mac said:
I see it as not so much actually learning through intellect but obeying and receiving from God His same Spirit of Love as our own where God Himself opens His will in us just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16.. Love is the highest mark one can receive from God Himself to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. There is no other perfection outside of Love for Love is the only thing on this planet that is perfect and never changes, for God is Love and man is the temple of Him.

This material world has a strong hold on the minds that has been programmed by and laws formed to regulate a religious belief.

It seem most view Christ as a rental instead of ownership. In ownership no one can take it from you least they steal it from you. Which seems to be the case in mans doctrines such as in a trinity doctrine where there is no ownership only rental space that you cannot own.

One can own the kingdom of God for it is within you, Luke 17:20-21, unfortunately that religious trinity doctrine as of a man as a god has stolen that ownership from most. They have given up their birth rights as sons of God to religious doctrines and their inheritance of His kingdom, which is within just as Jesus said it is.
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in a way Christ is beautiful flower living inside of one's soul.
 
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Him

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tdidymas said:
I disagree with your interpretation. I read it exactly the way I described:

in ch. 1 he begins with a description of Christ, and faith in Him is the whole subject matter of the entire epistle. He clearly says so in 4:11, and in 8:1 it is even clearer, in which he says "Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven." He has not changed the subject in ch. 10, since he is about to go into a dissertation on faith in ch. 11.

So let's get to the detail of ch. 10: in v. 1-11 he is speaking of the Sinai covenant, in which animal sacrifices atone for sins. He also states that this atonement only cleanses the flesh (in ch. 9), but Christ's sacrifice has spiritual atonement which is better and permanent. Then, because the Sinai covenant is only a type and shadow of the new covenant in Christ, then Christ's sacrifice replaces animal sacrifices.

So in 10:12 that's the subject matter he is discussing: "But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God." And from here on through v. 39 he is talking about Christ's sacrifice for sin, and our obligation to believe in it. Therefore, the sin in v. 26 is the sin of unbelief.

Your response begs a question: you said "Now we have been perfected by the Law..." Did you mean to say this? This is not a typo error? Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law?
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Sanctified through the blood of Jesus. A purged conscience, our inner man from dead works; sin, acts that cause death. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for he had said before of this perfectness. For God has said He will put His laws in our hearts and in our minds, His Word in our hearts and mouths. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. That we may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know Jesus whom God sent. Christ in us the Hope of Glory. For He is Love and as he is, so are we in this world.


Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Ezek 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
 
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tdidymas

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Him said:
Sanctified through the blood of Jesus. A purged conscience, our inner man from dead works; sin, acts that cause death. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for he had said before of this perfectness. For God has said He will put His laws in our hearts and in our minds, His Word in our hearts and mouths. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. That we may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know Jesus whom God sent. Christ in us the Hope of Glory. For He is Love and as he is, so are we in this world.


Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Ezek 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
1John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
1John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
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You seem to be paraphrasing scripture in your answer, and then quoting many scriptures, but you didn't answer the question. I'll reiterate, as it is a simple "yes" or "no."

You said "Now we have been perfected by the Law..." Did you mean to say this? This is not a typo error? Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law?
It's one question in 3 parts:
Did you mean to say this? Y/N
This is not a typo error? Y/N
Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law? Y/N

Will you please answer the question - I'd like to get clear on this point.
 
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Gary Mac

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tdidymas said:
You seem to be paraphrasing scripture in your answer, and then quoting many scriptures, but you didn't answer the question. I'll reiterate, as it is a simple "yes" or "no."

You said "Now we have been perfected by the Law..." Did you mean to say this? This is not a typo error? Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law?
It's one question in 3 parts:
Did you mean to say this? Y/N
This is not a typo error? Y/N
Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law? Y/N

Will you please answer the question - I'd like to get clear on this point.
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The law leads one to Gods perfection. Once you have seen him as He is and like Him, 1 John 3, then you become perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect and the law is fulfilled, it is who we become, not what we believe in the law to be but God actually manifest Himself in you just as He did in Jesus ij nMatt 3:16. He was of the law and taught it in the temple until this moment them he taught Spirit.
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
The law leads one to Gods perfection. Once you have seen him as He is and like Him, 1 John 3, then you become perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect and the law is fulfilled, it is who we become, not what we believe in the law to be but God actually manifest Himself in you just as He did in Jesus ij nMatt 3:16. He was of the law and taught it in the temple until this moment them he taught Spirit.
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Oh that's right you don't sin because you're perfect. You're God you said, isn't that right?
 
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Yakuda

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tdidymas said:
You seem to be paraphrasing scripture in your answer, and then quoting many scriptures, but you didn't answer the question. I'll reiterate, as it is a simple "yes" or "no."

You said "Now we have been perfected by the Law..." Did you mean to say this? This is not a typo error? Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law?
It's one question in 3 parts:
Did you mean to say this? Y/N
This is not a typo error? Y/N
Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law? Y/N

Will you please answer the question - I'd like to get clear on this point.
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That poster will NEVER directly answer the question. There will ALWAYS be a flood of words. I am beginning to wonder if there are some cognitive deficits there. Its as if the poster can only repeat what he has been programmed to say.
 
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Gary Mac

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Yakuda said:
Oh that's right you don't sin because you're perfect.
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Thats right perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of you to in Matt 5:48, but you know and I know and god knows you are not going to obey him.
Yakuda said:
You're God you said, isn't that right?
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Oh no' I am falsely accuse of being God just as Jesus was falsely accused of being God. God is our Father for we are born of God and our perfection is by identification with Him. You should seek the kingdom of God first and His righteousness in yourself. But you know and I know, and God knows you are not going to do that.

Where is His kingdom? Aww the part you are missing from Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. It is within you, or is supposed to be within you.

You just don't believe Jesus that it is is all and the reason you think I am God. Ignorance is bliss.
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
Thats right perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of you to in Matt 5:48, but you know and I know and god knows you are not going to obey him.

Oh no' I am falsely accuse of being God just as Jesus was falsely accused of being God. God is our Father for we are born of God and our perfection is by identification with Him. You should seek the kingdom of God first and His righteousness in yourself. But you know and I know, and God knows you are not going to do that.

Where is His kingdom? Aww the part you are missing from Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. It is within you, or is supposed to be within you.

You just don't believe Jesus that it is is all and the reason you think I am God. Ignorance is bliss.
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I believe you have a deluded view of yourself. You're a sinner as we walk are and you still sin.
 
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Gary Mac

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Yakuda said:
I believe you have a deluded view of yourself.
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Actually it is you have a deluded view of the Christ and who Christ actually is.
Yakuda said:
You're a sinner as we walk are and you still sin
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To you I agree, Jesus was accuse of as well for we have the same from our Father who is God. .

Truth is in Christ there is no sin, it is those who are outside of Christ that you are the sinner. Ya just have to know what it is to be of Christ to know what it is to be without sin. It is impossible to be of Christ and a sinner.
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
Actually it is you have a deluded view of the Christ and who Christ actually is.

To you I agree, Jesus was accuse of as well for we have the same from our Father who is God. .

Truth is in Christ there is no sin, it is those who are outside of Christ that you are the sinner. Ya just have to know what it is to be of Christ to know what it is to be without sin. It is impossible to be of Christ and a sinner.
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Im not sure where you got your theology and I dont really care. What i know is that what you teach is not scriptural
 
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Him

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tdidymas said:
You seem to be paraphrasing scripture in your answer, and then quoting many scriptures, but you didn't answer the question. I'll reiterate, as it is a simple "yes" or "no."

You said "Now we have been perfected by the Law..." Did you mean to say this? This is not a typo error? Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law?
It's one question in 3 parts:
Did you mean to say this? Y/N
This is not a typo error? Y/N
Do you actually believe that a person is perfected by the law? Y/N

Will you please answer the question - I'd like to get clear on this point.
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We don't dictate how one answers.
If the Law, the Word, His Spirit is in our heart though Christ. Does the Law, the Word, His Spirit perfect us through Christ?
 
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tdidymas

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Him said:
We don't dictate how one answers.
If the Law, the Word, His Spirit is in our heart though Christ. Does the Law, the Word, His Spirit perfect us through Christ?
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It appears to me you're backstepping.

The sacrifice of Christ perfects and sanctifies us (Heb. 10:14).

The Holy Spirit perfects/sanctifies us (1 Pet. 1:2).

The law perfects nothing (Heb. 7:19, 10:1, Rom. 8:3-4).

IMO your idea "now we have been perfected by the Law..." is in error. Although the law itself is perfect (Ps. 19:7, Rom. 7:12), it does not perfect us (Rom. 7:10, 8:3-4).
 
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Gary Mac

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Yakuda said:
Im not sure where you got your theology and I dont really care. What i know is that what you teach is not scriptural
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It is very obvious where you don't understand that scripture is clear that we be like Him, He in you and you I nHim as one as Jesus was one in Him that you say John 17 is not in scripture.

And it is obvious when Jesus said the kingdom of God doesn't come with observation but is within you in Luke 17:20-21 is not in scripture for you.

And when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as 1 John 3 states is not in your scripture.

And to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus stated in Matt 5:48 is not scriptural for you.

BTW what scripture do you cling to because it sure isn't the one where Jesus said for you to be these things?

You don't follow what Jesus said you should be and would be if you had from God that what he had from Him for God really did send him to show you the way to Him.

Rev 11 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

You don't have a clue what the revelation of the Christ is. It is Christ revealed, manifest in you, you anointed of God which obviously Rev 1 is not in your scripture just as you say it isn't scriptural.

And this isn't in your scripture either, John 16:23 “And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Im very curious what bible you read that doesn't have the things of Christ in it?
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
It is very obvious where you don't understand that scripture is clear that we be like Him, He in you and you I nHim as one as Jesus was one in Him that you say John 17 is not in scripture.

And it is obvious when Jesus said the kingdom of God doesn't come with observation but is within you in Luke 17:20-21 is not in scripture for you.

And when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as 1 John 3 states is not in your scripture.

And to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus stated in Matt 5:48 is not scriptural for you.

BTW what scripture do you cling to because it sure isn't the one where Jesus said for you to be these things?

You don't follow what Jesus said you should be and would be if you had from God that what he had from Him for God really did send him to show you the way to Him.

Rev 11 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

You don't have a clue what the revelation of the Christ is. It is Christ revealed, manifest in you, you anointed of God which obviously Rev 1 is not in your scripture just as you say it isn't scriptural.

And this isn't in your scripture either, John 16:23 “And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Im very curious what bible you read that doesn't have the things of Christ in it?
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I understand just fine. Titus 3:7, "having been justified we MIGHT (my emphasis) become heirs having the hope of eternal life." Might!!!! There are plenty more references. But "gods" like you never listen. Just like the pharisees they were not like everyone else they were perfect. Its amazing how blind you are v
 
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Gary Mac

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Yakuda said:
I understand just fine. Titus 3:7, "having been justified we MIGHT (my emphasis) become heirs having the hope of eternal life." Might!!!! There are plenty more references. But "gods" like you never listen. Just like the pharisees they were not like everyone else they were perfect. Its amazing how blind you are v
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The Pharisees are perfect, just ask any denomination if they have the right way and listen to their results.
Catholic are are perfect in their laws to govern a religion.
Mormons are perfect in their laws for religion.
Muslims are perfect in their laws for religion.
Baptists are perfect in their laws for religion.
COCs are perfect in their laws for religion.
AOGs are perfect in their laws for religion.
Nondenominational's are perfect in their laws for religion.

And the other 3500 denominations are perfect in their beliefs aren't they?

How blind you say I am, perhaps it isn't I who has on the blinders?

BTW I do not follow Paul in his religious beliefs. It is better for me to follow the way of Jesus instead. You can cling to Pauls references as you do, but for me Jesus is the way, not Paul, not you, and not I, but God Himself manifest in me just as He was manifest in Jesus. See Matt 3:16, this is how He does it in man, by His Spirit be your own spirit.

Obviously You just never have met Him is all and the very reason that pharisee mentality comes out from you in that hypocritical fashion.
 
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Yakuda

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Gary Mac said:
The Pharisees are perfect, just ask any denomination if they have the right way and listen to their results.
Catholic are are perfect in their laws to govern a religion.
Mormons are perfect in their laws for religion.
Muslims are perfect in their laws for religion.
Baptists are perfect in their laws for religion.
COCs are perfect in their laws for religion.
AOGs are perfect in their laws for religion.
Nondenominational's are perfect in their laws for religion.

And the other 3500 denominations are perfect in their beliefs aren't they?

How blind you say I am, perhaps it isn't I who has on the blinders?

BTW I do not follow Paul in his religious beliefs. It is better for me to follow the way of Jesus instead. You can cling to Pauls references as you do, but for me Jesus is the way, not Paul, not you, and not I, but God Himself manifest in me just as He was manifest in Jesus. See Matt 3:16, this is how He does it in man, by His Spirit be your own spirit.

Obviously You just never have met Him is all and the very reason that pharisee mentality comes out from you in that hypocritical fashion.
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Oh course you don't follow Paul because you make up your own dogmas. I'm not sure why they let people like you on this site.
 
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