SINNING WILLFULLY

Mik

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The Pharisees are perfect, just ask any denomination if they have the right way and listen to their results.
Catholic are are perfect in their laws to govern a religion.
Mormons are perfect in their laws for religion.
Muslims are perfect in their laws for religion.
Baptists are perfect in their laws for religion.
COCs are perfect in their laws for religion.
AOGs are perfect in their laws for religion.
Nondenominational's are perfect in their laws for religion.

And the other 3500 denominations are perfect in their beliefs aren't they?

How blind you say I am, perhaps it isn't I who has on the blinders?

BTW I do not follow Paul in his religious beliefs. It is better for me to follow the way of Jesus instead. You can cling to Pauls references as you do, but for me Jesus is the way, not Paul, not you, and not I, but God Himself manifest in me just as He was manifest in Jesus. See Matt 3:16, this is how He does it in man, by His Spirit be your own spirit.

Obviously You just never have met Him is all and the very reason that pharisee mentality comes out from you in that hypocritical fashion.
So I'm guessing that the crowds following you are huge as they were for Jesus. That you are going from town to town healing the sick, the blind are seeing from your touch, the deaf hear, demons are being cast out and the dead are raised to life just like Jesus did.
I'm sure you are going to all the hospitals healing all the sick.
And this is taking place to show that God is manifest in you just He was in Jesus. That all the signs and wonders that Jesus performed to prove who Jesus was and to believe the Gospel He preached is also happening to you also.
You do preach the Gospel too as Jesus did?
Where will you next sermon be and the healings and sign and wonders?
 

Gary Mac

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Oh course you don't follow Paul because you make up your own dogmas. I'm not sure why they let people like you on this site.
Na' Jesus didn't make anything up, that is why I follow him in his ways of the Father.

People like me who is of Christ and you can't understand why they would let such a person on here? Seems I have heard that story before with Jesus. They couldn't understand why he was allowed to speak as well and we have the same mind of our father who is God.

But you are correct in that I do not follow Paul. God is sufficient to relay His message, He got his message to me to walk in it as he walks in it the same way He got it in Jesus in Matt 3:16. He is supposed to be in you as well. .
 

Him

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It appears to me you're backstepping.

The sacrifice of Christ perfects and sanctifies us (Heb. 10:14).

The Holy Spirit perfects/sanctifies us (1 Pet. 1:2).

The law perfects nothing (Heb. 7:19, 10:1, Rom. 8:3-4).

IMO your idea "now we have been perfected by the Law..." is in error. Although the law itself is perfect (Ps. 19:7, Rom. 7:12), it does not perfect us (Rom. 7:10, 8:3-4).
Working from the outside yes; but from the inside? The Word, His Law, His Spirit in and through Christ has become who we are. As he is so are we in this world. Love, the Word manifested in the flesh. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

For God has said, "He has perfected forever them that are sanctified." Then the next sentence starts with the word "whereof". In other words this people whom are perfected the Holy Ghost has spoken of. For God has said He will put His Law in their hearts and in their minds. His Word in their hearts and mouths, A new heart, for He has given us of His Spirit through Christ. Us in Him, He in us that the World might believe.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
 

tdidymas

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Working from the outside yes; but from the inside? The Word, His Law, His Spirit in and through Christ has become who we are. As he is so are we in this world. Love, the Word manifested in the flesh. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

For God has said, "He has perfected forever them that are sanctified." Then the next sentence starts with the word "whereof". In other words this people whom are perfected the Holy Ghost has spoken of. For God has said He will put His Law in their hearts and in their minds. His Word in their hearts and mouths, A new heart, for He has given us of His Spirit through Christ. Us in Him, He in us that the World might believe.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Then the law is a measure of perfection that the Holy Ghost has done. The Holy Ghost is the one performing the perfection, and the law obeyed is the display, or result, of that perfection done by God. So then, my statement is true by 10:14-16, that the law did not perfect anyone, but the Spirit is the one sanctifying and perfecting. This verse does not say that the law is perfecting anyone. It does not say that doing the law will put God in the heart, but rather God will put the law in the heart. And so the verses I quoted that the law does not perfect anyone is the correct interpretation and context of this passage of scripture. And I still say you're wrong about the law perfecting us.

This is in harmony with Jesus' words "let your light so shine before men that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father who is in heaven." It is not the good deeds that are making the light, but the light making the deeds good. This means that the one doing the good deeds has faith that God's grace is working the deeds through us, that God has already written His will in the heart, and the good deeds are the resulting behavior of gratitude toward God of the great blessing He has done for the doer. People with faith do good because they love God, not because they think doing good or obeying the law makes them holy or perfect.

Can you see there is a difference?
 
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MMDAN

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The context of this is the theme running throughout Heb. which is having faith in Christ, and what the next chapter (11) is about. So, the "sinning willfully" is specifically the sin of unbelief, that is, not obeying the gospel message (Heb. 4:11). The writer of Heb. doesn't change the subject in the entire sermon, so I'd say this theme is the main theme of the whole message (which makes it evangelistic).

So then, the one who is sinning willfully, trodding underfoot the Son of God, putting Him to open shame, counting the blood of the covenant unholy, and despising the Spirit of grace, is the one who says "NO" to the gospel message. Such a one believes his own way is better than what the gospel declares. Such people might be oblivious to its truth (as Paul describes in 1 Cor. 1), or they might feel the wrath of God (John 3:36) and have not the wisdom to obey the gospel or have ears to hear the hope in it.
Amen! In regards to Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows willful, continuous action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God. (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as some teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) So in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse and by this Paul does not mean that they are saved. A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians and not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer within the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but then later renounces his identification with these other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with these Hebrew Christians was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.
 

Yakuda

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Sure.

Post #81. "Oh course you don't follow Paul because you make up your own dogmas. I'm not sure why they let people like you on this site."
Oh yes I did write that. My apologies. Now show where I suggested we should follow Paul and not Jesus. Paul's words are part of inspired scripture which is the word of God. To ignore Paul is to ignore God. Good for you. Are you a perfect God too? You never sin either right?
 

Our Lord's God

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Oh yes I did write that. My apologies. Now show where I suggested we should follow Paul and not Jesus. Paul's words are part of inspired scripture which is the word of God. To ignore Paul is to ignore God. Good for you. Are you a perfect God too? You never sin either right?

I haven't seen anyone here claim they are a "perfect God." Are you bearing false witness like an anti-Christ Pharisee?
 

Gary Mac

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Not sure what you are in about as I never said we should "follow" Paul but is words are in scripture for a reason. You people are.....
Yes his words are in there for a reason, to get you to follow him instead of Jesus. How do you suppose Paul got into scripture anyway? Was it not by a group of men King James assembled to assemble a bible, a king that didn't even believe in God who authorized it?

Wake up man and look at the facts, Paul is there for a reason and that is to get your eyes off Christ and on him. AT least he was honest enough to state he had a thorn in his flesh which was his desire to be exalted for his abundance of revelations. And it worked, more exalt him than they ever did Jesus who was humble.
 
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