So how would YOU describe the connection between the Word and...

Yahchristian

Well-known member
Jesus was fully human and fully God....the fully human was formed in the womb when the Word became flesh.

TRINITARIANS,

The Bible says to be "fully God" is to be Spirit...

John 4:24... God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Bible says to be "fully human" is to have a human spirit, a human soul, and a human body.

1 Thessalonians 5:23... And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So how would YOU describe the connection between the Word (fully God nature) and the fully human nature of Jesus?

In other words, is it "the Word added the fully human nature of Jesus to his divine nature so now He has two natures" or something else?

Here is how I personally describe the connection between the Word and Jesus...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
TRINITARIANS,

The Bible says to be "fully God" is to be Spirit...

John 4:24... God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Bible says to be "fully human" is to have a human spirit, a human soul, and a human body.

1 Thessalonians 5:23... And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So how would YOU describe the connection between the Word (fully God nature) and the fully human nature of Jesus?

In other words, is it "the Word added the fully human nature of Jesus to his divine nature so now He has two natures" or something else?

Here is how I personally describe the connection between the Word and Jesus...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
It mean exactly what it means...Jesus wasn't 50% God and 50% man....He was 100% both.

The Word a Spirit became flesh.

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

Here's more if your interested.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
It mean exactly what it means...Jesus wasn't 50% God and 50% man....He was 100% both.

The Word a Spirit became flesh.

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

Here's more if your interested.

In order to clarify your statements, can you tell us...

A) Are the terms "took on" and "became" synonymous?

B) Are the terms "human nature" and "human being" synonymous?

If not, what are the differences?
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
In order to clarify your statements, can you tell us...

A) Are the terms "took on" and "became" synonymous?

B) Are the terms "human nature" and "human being" synonymous?

If not, what are the differences?
I see those questions as being a bit nit picky......Depending on the usage of the words...subject...they can be synonymous.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
I see those questions as being a bit nit picky......Depending on the usage of the words...subject...they can be synonymous.

I am asking about the usage of the words in your statement...

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

In that statement of YOURS...

A) Are the terms "took on" and "became" synonymous?

B) Are the terms "human nature" and "human being" synonymous?

If not, what are the differences?
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
I am asking about the usage of the words in your statement...

The hypostatic union is the term used to describe how God the Son, Jesus Christ, took on a human nature, yet remained fully God at the same time. Jesus always had been God (John 8:58, 10:30), but at the incarnation Jesus became a human being (John 1:14). The addition of the human nature to the divine nature is Jesus, the God-man. This is the hypostatic union, Jesus Christ, one Person, fully God and fully man.

In that statement of YOURS...

A) Are the terms "took on" and "became" synonymous?

B) Are the terms "human nature" and "human being" synonymous?

If not, what are the differences?
A. I am using them as meaning the same thing.
B. No. Adam the first human being created in the image of God fell in the Garden of Eden and developed a fallen human nature. The human nature of Jesus was not fallen.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
A dog like a human being is flesh and blood.....it's the nature of the dog to bark and chase cars.

Since I doubt you believe "a dog" and "a human being" are the same thing...

Can you provide a definition of "human nature?

Can you provide a definition of "human being"?

 

CrowCross

Well-known member
Since I doubt you believe "a dog" and "a human being" are the same thing...

Can you provide a definition of "human nature?

Can you provide a definition of "human being"?
Google it if you want a definition.
i've already provided you with an example.
 

Kampioen

Member
TRINITARIANS,

The Bible says to be "fully God" is to be Spirit...

John 4:24... God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Bible says to be "fully human" is to have a human spirit, a human soul, and a human body.

1 Thessalonians 5:23... And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So how would YOU describe the connection between the Word (fully God nature) and the fully human nature of Jesus?

In other words, is it "the Word added the fully human nature of Jesus to his divine nature so now He has two natures" or something else?

Here is how I personally describe the connection between the Word and Jesus...
whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus.
If you mean the Word merely served as the human spirit and soul of Jesus I disagree.

A human being must have a created spirit/soul and body. ... unless you want to say Jesus/theWord became no longer God.

Jesus is a juxtaposition between the divine Word and created human nature, ie two distinct natures. The human nature includes the spirit/soul and body.

I would say a typical man has a created "the word" as the awareness within and constituting a created spirit/soul.

In Jesus' case He has a the divine Word as the awareness within and constituting and under the influence of the non-omniscient created spirit/soul.
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
TRINITARIANS,

The Bible says to be "fully God" is to be Spirit...

John 4:24... God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Bible says to be "fully human" is to have a human spirit, a human soul, and a human body.

1 Thessalonians 5:23... And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So how would YOU describe the connection between the Word (fully God nature) and the fully human nature of Jesus?

In other words, is it "the Word added the fully human nature of Jesus to his divine nature so now He has two natures" or something else?

Here is how I personally describe the connection between the Word and Jesus...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
The Word (God) became a Man. No need for tortured complex explanation.
 
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